[Crimson Dynamo]

I just hope we dont see pictures of silly women in the streets whooping and hollering like the won a cup final but i am not holding my breath

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Shaun

If it takes two people to create a baby, it should take two people to want to have the baby. Not one, and that goes both ways with a hypothetical "woman wants a baby and then wants child support from the man who didn't want it" sort of situation.

Disagree with this - unless both ‘parents’ took precautions then both are responsible for any consequences. A man is not off the hook if he did nothing to protect himself - and stating ‘she was on the pill or taking care of it’ is not good enough.

[Northern Monkey]

Happy abortion day Ireland


I do think it’s the right decision even though if i was Irish i’d like to see things like a limit on amount and number of weeks etc so it can’t be abused like over here.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I just hope we dont see pictures of silly women in the streets whooping and hollering like the won a cup final but i am not holding my breath

Already saw them this morning...i must say i was surprised at the amount of homosexuals standing with them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

If ypou don't want to get pregnant use protection

Thanks for that insight Adam

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Good luck for the YES campaign

Laura did it

[bots]

The state shouldn't be about restricting personal choice and freedom over what people can and cannot do with their own bodies. Enough scientific research has been done to define perfectly appropriate limits. These should clearly be the measures that any sensible democracy would set in place. If breakthroughs are made making the survival rates better, then limits should be adjusted accordingly. Power to the people.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Adam.

If ypou don't want to get pregnant use protection

And that clearly works both ways - if a man does not want to be a dad yet does nothing to protect himself and put a cover on it he is just as responsible.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Already saw them this morning...i must say i was surprised at the amount of homosexuals standing with them.

It would be interesting to see a case where a gay couples surrogate aborted their baby at 12 weeks because she decided she couldn’t go through with it

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The state shouldn't be about restricting personal choice and freedom over what people can and cannot do with their own bodies.

Does a pregnant woman have four arms, four legs, and two heads? No, because the body growing inside them is not their own.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It would be interesting to see a case where a gay couples surrogate aborted their baby at 12 weeks because she decided she couldn’t go through with it

Just another dead baby.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Does a pregnant woman have four arms, four legs, and two heads? No, because the body growing inside them is not their own.

Until that child is born the child is a part of them and it is not for men to try to find reasons why they can tell women what they can/cannot do with their own bodies.

It is not an easy decision for most - and until any man finds himself in that exact position he hasn’t a clue! Put a cover on it and no man will be in the situation where a woman will be terminating his baby.

[thesheriff443]

Abortion is legal and I think that is the right decision setting aside what someone considers right and wrong.

For some an abortion is an horrific experience mentally and psychically and yet for some it's getting rid of a mistake or failing to us protection, for some they have had several abortions due to having casual sex.

On the other side of the coin we have woman who are drug and drink dependent having kids that are taken away at birth and put in the care system and will never see their mother I know of one example of this in which the person in question has had three kids, taken away as soon as she gives birth.

Some men push a woman into an abortion some men beg a woman not to have one.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Already saw them this morning...i must say i was surprised at the amount of homosexuals standing with them.

Gay men seem to understand a woman’s body is her own to make descisions with a lot more than straight men

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Gay men seem to understand a woman’s body is her own to make descisions with a lot more than straight men

There were a lot more straight men on the clips than gay men.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Gay men seem to understand a woman’s body is her own to make descisions with a lot more than straight men

well i also do understand that

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Gay men seem to understand a woman’s body is her own to make descisions with a lot more than straight men

They don't understand the issues fully pertaining to fathers because the only way they will become Dads of babys from their own genepool is via a water tight contract with a surrogate

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They don't understand the issues fully pertaining to fathers because the only way they will become Dads of babys from their own genepool is via a water tight contract with a surrogate

Oh yeah a gay man has never had a child with a woman before eh

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Oh yeah a gay man has never had a child with a woman before eh

Not if he is out and proud no, and you are boiling it down to an very niche group whereas you had no trouble at all painting all straight men as not being understanding, when the cap fits eh?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not if he is out and proud no

Actually a lot of gays have a child with a female friend and raise it together or get a surrogate but go off!

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not if he is out and proud no, and you are boiling it down to an very niche group whereas you had no trouble at all painting all straight men as not being understanding, when the cap fits eh?

The ignorance

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Actually a lot of gays have a child with a female friend and raise it together or get a surrogate but go off!

can you read my post where I mentioned surrogates, in your haste to get involved you seem to have missed that, not unusual it has to be said, also that is a completely different issue as the female has come to an agreement to have a child, it is not an accidental pregnancy so bears no relevance whatsoever

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

The ignorance

and of course your post about straight men not understanding female issues is a glowing testament to education

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can you read my post where I mentioned surrogates, in your haste to get involved you seem to have missed that, not unusual it has to be said, also that is a completely different issue as the female has come to an agreement to have a child, it is not an accident so bears no relevance whatsoever

But you said no openly gay man has "ever" had a baby with a woman. So do you disagree with yourself or?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

But you said no openly gay man has "ever" had a baby with a woman. So do you disagree with yourself or?

No a gay man wont get a woman pregnant by accident unless he is in the closet but we are not talking about that are we?