[Greg!]

Makes me crease that certain chicks act like they are so hard done by on this forum when I can guarantee that on 99% of other forums if you were to make constant threads moaning about mods and their decisions and whinging about 'bias', you'd be banned and that would be the end of that. Certain people just need to suck it up when they get infractions/warnings and take it on the chin like everyone else.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Makes me crease that so certain chicks act like they are so hard done by on this forum when I can guarantee that on 99% of other forums if you were to make constant threads moaning about mods and their decisions and whinging about 'bias', you'd be banned and that would be the end of that. Certain people just need to suck it up when they get infractions/warnings and take it on the chin like everyone else.

"when I can guarantee that on 99% of other forums if you were to make constant threads moaning about mods and their decisions and whinging about 'bias', you'd be banned"

do you have evidence for this or did you just make it up to have a dig at people you dont like?

[Greg!]

Do you have evidence to the contrary sis? Also don't make assumptions on who I do and don't like on here!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Do you have evidence to the contrary sis? Also don't make assumptions on who I do and don't like on here!

so that would be a no

[Greg!]

And I would say I don't really dislike anyone on here actually, just getting a bit sick and tired of seeing the same old threads moaning and unfairly attacking the mods day in day out!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've been for a return of appeals for quite a while but the problem is that people will inevitably abuse it like they did last time. If it were to ever come back it would need to come with certain rules like

- You can't appeal blatantly deserved infractions, if someone gets infracted for calling another member a twat for example, that's obviously infraction worthy and there's no way it's a mistake. Ultimately if it were to make a comeback members would need to be more self critical than they were back when the previous Appeals were a thing and accept that most infractions are justified.
- You've got to be respectful in the appeal itself, in the old appeals we'd get tons of irate appeals with people screaming the odds at us over infractions they ultimately deserved. If appeals were to come back, members would have to be reasonable and explain why they believe their infractions were wrong without basically screaming curses on our bloodline at us.
- Members would have to understand it's not a place to appeal EVERY infraction they'd get, we used to get a lot of members who would try to appeal everything and it was a waste of time for all involved.
- People would have to accept the verdict, whether it's given out by me or another mod anyone might dislike, members would have to accept that our final says are well, final.

That being said, if you want to talk then there's nothing stopping you PMing me or any other mod. I'm always saying to people who disagree with my decisions or anything to do with modding that they can talk to me over PM but people rarely take me up on that offer.

I remember saying it a lot during the last time I had a wave of attack threads against me but I think only Cherie took me up on that offer? I can remember us having a good chat about things and resolving issues and now I think there's a mutual respect there and we can have a laugh and a joke now.

I will always make time for people who are reasonable and want to fix things and not just want to have a screaming match. My PMs are always open.

I appreciate all that and some good points accepted,but the thing that annoys me more than anything is when the powers that be are PMd and there is no response,it's only manners to just acknowledge someone, I know everyone is busy but if you take on that job,you should be prepared to at least answer people ,that's what annoys some people. as for your PM statement,that is duly noted.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so that would be a no

Well chick if you want to test out my theory then you are free to go on other forums and make threads moaning about being infracted for breaking the rules / moaning about the mods and see what happens. Go for your life!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Greg!

And I would say I don't really dislike anyone on here actually, just getting a bit sick and tired of seeing the same old threads moaning and unfairly attacking the mods day in day out!

We are having a debate which might clear some things up,no one is forcing you to read any of it and no one is attacking anyone, we are trying to get things in the open in an adult way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Well chick if you want to test out my theory then you are free to go on other forums and make threads moaning about being infracted for breaking the rules / moaning about the mods and see what happens. Go for your life!

this thread is about making infractions for all members open and it seems have not read the thread and tried to take it off topic whilst at the same time having (another) pop at members who are not part of your social circle.

I think we can all see what your intentions are, as Kaz said. This is not a thread for you so dont feel you need to participate if you have nothing positive or helpful to add.

also calling me sis etc is what is commonly known as baiting and guess what..its against the rules you so cherish...

:0

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this thread is about making infractions for all members open and it seems have not read the thread and tried to take it off topic whilst at the same time having (another) pop at members who are not part of your social circle.

I think we can all see what your intentions are, as Kaz said. This is not a thread for you so dont feel you need to participate if you have nothing positive or helpful to add.

also calling me sis etc is what is commonly known as baiting and guess what..its against the rules you so cherish...

:0

No need to patronise me hon, I did read the thread. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that it is yet another attempt to try and bring attention to a 'bias' that doesn't exist. I wouldn't be opposed to making all penalties public FYI if it meant people stopped constantly moaning.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We are having a debate which might clear some things up,no one is forcing you to read any of it and no one is attacking anyone, we are trying to get things in the open in an adult way.

I think an adult would simply log out and have bigger things to be concerned about than the moderating of a reality tv forum

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I think an adult would simply log out and have bigger things to be concerned about than the moderating of a reality tv forum

I never hardly log out of Tibb even if I am not using it,I really don't know why that comment was aimed at me, but I suppose if it makes you feel better.

[Livia]

How about giving us a thread where we can post the infractions we get, and the reasons for them, so people can see they're not the only ones to get infractions for bugger all. Infractions because the mod took the conversation out of context. Infractions because the mod just doesn't like you. Infractions because the mod is having an argument in the thread and you're going against them...

Some of my infractions have been justified, but a lot have not. They've been for next to nothing, less than I see moderators get away with day after day. If we could post them up and we can all see that I was infracted for, say, asking someone to stop baiting me. Which has been done... and is stupid. All this, we can infract you, you have no comeback and you're not allowed to talk about it... casts the mods in a very sinister light when they're just ordinary people with no special skills or comprehension. And to say that all infractions are discussed by a group of mods makes me despair, because I know they're not all petty, like some of my infractions clearly have been.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And can I just add, and in no way of a dig, that if forum member Dezzy was not a mod I would wager, and I think many others would, he would be infracted and banned as frequently as me, Kirk, brillo or Marsh is. So I would not take too much of the moral high ground Dezzy - there is no other Mod who would come close - that is not because you are a bad person but its to do with the fact when you get angry at a differing opinion you cant help but get personal and or condescending (i like to do this too, it makes me feel better) . Its just who you are but dont think that you are somehow immune to the faults you find in others and highlight in threads like this. I still love you but as the forum Dad I am just telling you how it is. x

This, 100%

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

How about giving us a thread where we can post the infractions we get, and the reasons for them, so people can see they're not the only ones to get infractions for bugger all. Infractions because the mod took the conversation out of context. Infractions because the mod just doesn't like you. Infractions because the mod is having an argument in the thread and you're going against them...

Some of my infractions have been justified, but a lot have not. They've been for next to nothing, less than I see moderators get away with day after day. If we could post them up and we can all see that I was infracted for, say, asking someone to stop baiting me. Which has been done... and is stupid. All this, we can infract you, you have no comeback and you're not allowed to talk about it... casts the mods in a very sinister light when they're just ordinary people with no special skills or comprehension. And to say that all infractions are discussed by a group of mods makes me despair, because I know they're not all petty, like some of my infractions clearly have been.

This is the kind of post that makes me really want this to go ahead.

If you were to make your infractions public, I'd be willing to bet that most people would find them justified.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is the kind of post that makes me really want this to go ahead.

If you were to make your infractions public, I'd be willing to bet that most people would find them justified.

Dezzy, with respect, please stop replying to me and I'll extend to you the same courtesy. The only reason you're not on ignore is because I can't put mods on ignore.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I think an adult would simply log out and have bigger things to be concerned about than the moderating of a reality tv forum

another rather dissapointing baiting dig...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is the kind of post that makes me really want this to go ahead.

If you were to make your infractions public, I'd be willing to bet that most people would find them justified.

great then that would surely help?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Livia

How about giving us a thread where we can post the infractions we get, and the reasons for them, so people can see they're not the only ones to get infractions for bugger all. Infractions because the mod took the conversation out of context. Infractions because the mod just doesn't like you. Infractions because the mod is having an argument in the thread and you're going against them...

Some of my infractions have been justified, but a lot have not. They've been for next to nothing, less than I see moderators get away with day after day. If we could post them up and we can all see that I was infracted for, say, asking someone to stop baiting me. Which has been done... and is stupid. All this, we can infract you, you have no comeback and you're not allowed to talk about it... casts the mods in a very sinister light when they're just ordinary people with no special skills or comprehension. And to say that all infractions are discussed by a group of mods makes me despair, because I know they're not all petty, like some of my infractions clearly have been.

This seems like the fairest option in all of these discussions, then people who don't want their infractions made public can keep them private but others who want people to see for transparency can do so.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dezzy, with respect, please stop replying to me and I'll extend to you the same courtesy. The only reason you're not on ignore is because I can't put mods on ignore.

Now this is a good example of baiting so everyone listen up. Telling someone that they are on your ignore list is considered baiting because it serves no purpose other than to draw a reaction from them. If someone is on your ignore list, continue to ignore them or choose to respond to their posts in a way that isn't baiting.

Telling someone that they are being ignored is baiting and will likely net you a few infractions if you do it enough.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Surely no one could object

You having a laugh? A lot of people would be arguing on behalf of others against every little infraction.

I don't mind the ban list including a reason for the ban (whether a build up of points or a straight ban for whatever) but making public every little infraction is pointless. Like, who cares?

I care about my own infractions, no bugger else.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This seems like the fairest option in all of these discussions, then people who don't want their infractions made public can keep them private but others who want people to see for transparency can do so.

It'd be a decent compromise.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Sincere thanks for your honesty, Dezzy.

I am chagrined about my 'Michael' post thread removal which I thought was unnecessary and about the Infraction which I thought was heavy-handed.

The thread and my OP was light-hearted, friendly to and actually supportive of Michael, but surely, even if removing it was deemed necessary as a precautionary measure for the reasons given, was it REALLY necessary to give me an infraction instead of a mere friendly note by pm or even a Warning?

Well, yes, since that type of discussion in the public forum, discussing a member's contributions to the forum and whether they're for "real" is quite a clear rule break?

As said above, if it was made about any other member it would've had a major backlash from a lot of forum members. I'm not michael21's biggest fan, but even he should be extended that same courtesy everyone else would get tbh.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Well chick if you want to test out my theory then you are free to go on other forums and make threads moaning about being infracted for breaking the rules / moaning about the mods and see what happens. Go for your life!

LT is no chick no more

[Marsh.]

I also don't think this would change anything.

If it was in the public forum that Member A was banned because of a build up of infractions and it was seen that their last infraction was for "baiting" people are still going to have the conspiracy theories that it's come from mod bias who don't like the political view (or whatever) of that particular member so have made up an excuse to have them banned.

It really won't change anything.