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28-06-2018, 05:22 PM | #101 | |||
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The practice of marriage is what is causing the conflict, as they are expecting the baker to participate in that ritual despite well-knowing it is in direct conflict with their religion (however they believe), and the patrons in this case want the courts to compell their practice. Per Freedom of Religion, the courts/govt cannot interfere in that practice. If the basis were them simply being homosexual customers, then the ruling would've been very different... Last edited by Maru; 28-06-2018 at 05:23 PM. |
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28-06-2018, 05:28 PM | #102 | |||
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You cant swear on the bible then deny ones religious beliefs.
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28-06-2018, 05:50 PM | #103 | |||
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OK, I strongly disagree with your interpretations of the events that have taken place, and your desire to discuss religious practice/freedom in such a rose-tinted manner, but we'll never agree on this topic so rather than us both spending the next hour writing the same things at each other in 5 different ways, I'm happy to leave it there.
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28-06-2018, 06:12 PM | #104 | |||
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28-06-2018, 06:59 PM | #105 | ||
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religious freedom is just something they hide behind; they discard Christian teachings if it doesn't suit them (love thy neighbour and others) Most Christian denominations for example are appalled at war-mongering and naked greed and inequality of Anglo-American model of capitalism. Do so-called conservative Christians pay any attention to that? Nah. But homosexuals? Yeah, that's the danger worth focusing on. The whole idiotic battle against gay marriage, I mean, anybody with any sense would see that gay marriage promotes social stability by binding 5% minority into stable relationships in law. Why would any conservative have a problem with that? It's good for individuals, it's good for society and the state. But no, let's kick up the fuss because they're different, they're not us. How ****ing short-sighted is that? |
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28-06-2018, 07:03 PM | #106 | |||
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Are we really trying to take apart a pathetic middle Eastern cult like its something?
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28-06-2018, 07:45 PM | #107 | |||
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Personally, while I support these freedoms remaining intact, I have major issues with Republicans that govern from the pulpit and base most of their support and decision-making on religion. In the last primary, my candidate went into a run-off. The other was a Christian pastor. Anyway, my candidate was open to allowing room for criticism of modern Christianity and showing tolerance, including their stances on gay marriage, but these evangelical groups were peeved off and started to launch smear campaigns against him both online and through paper mail... my candidate ended up winning the primary, so he will be on the Republican ballot come November. I don't trust these types of evangelicals, but my issue is not their beliefs, my issue is that these are government officials and they should be representing all groups under them, not just those folk who share their religious denomination. Anyway, I can feel one way about our religious freedoms and still have many problems with it. I don't fault others for having their own pickle with religion. Last edited by Maru; 28-06-2018 at 07:49 PM. |
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28-06-2018, 08:11 PM | #108 | |||
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29-06-2018, 05:38 AM | #109 | |||
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29-06-2018, 07:44 AM | #110 | |||
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Without the use of insane conspiracy theories, explain her corruption.
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29-06-2018, 07:59 AM | #111 | ||
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Besides, I'd not call it a pathetic cult. I abandoned religion myself, but can't deny that Jesus brought "the cult" forward in a big way. I have no quarrel with Jesus's teachings (forget about Old Testament stuff tho, that's bigots charter). Take away the supernatural stuff, and Jesus becomes a serious social reformer and philosopher. I have utmost respect for the man. |
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29-06-2018, 08:25 AM | #112 | |||
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Jesus himself had some interesting things to say about morality and how we should treat others, but nothing that hadn't already been said before by earlier philosophers like the Buddha. What really pushed the cult forward were the people rising up and saying enough of this ****, and the bringing on of the enlightenment.
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29-06-2018, 09:02 AM | #113 | |||
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Before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge - which gained the victorious Constantine the title of Emperor (of the Western Roman Empire, anyway) Constantine saw a 'vision' in the sky of what he perceived as a glowing 'Christian' cross with a message that he would be victorious. He did not adopt or enforce Christianity as the 'official' religion of The Roman Empire despite personally converting, but he did impose increased tolerance to the new religion and abolished anti-Christian practices, and it was these actions which allowed Christianity to flourish throughout the Roman Empire.
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29-06-2018, 09:09 AM | #114 | |||
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29-06-2018, 09:11 AM | #115 | |||
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Google and research and reference other sources than just agenda-laden Democratic, Neo-Liberal, Left-Wing, and anti-Trump sources.
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29-06-2018, 09:14 AM | #116 | |||
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Do you have the Hilary corruption information yet or nah?
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29-06-2018, 09:18 AM | #117 | |||
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You don't get to play that BS game with me, my dude. You say she's corrupt, so tell me how. You obviously know she is because no one uses that many smilies without having confidence in their own position so it should be easy for you. I don't like Hillary; you've got a captive audience here, so hit me with some facts homeboy.
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29-06-2018, 09:26 AM | #118 | |||
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29-06-2018, 09:33 AM | #119 | |||
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Nope.
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29-06-2018, 09:34 AM | #120 | |||
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its utter hokum from start to finish |
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29-06-2018, 12:06 PM | #121 | ||
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I meant he modernized and updated the message with his teachings which later became the basis of New Testament. It was that (and his messianic status and death) what made Christianity into a new religion which slowly but surely caught on in the whole region. Last edited by Twosugars; 29-06-2018 at 12:21 PM. |
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29-06-2018, 12:18 PM | #122 | ||
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^ to add to my last post:
Doubt Jesus was aware of Buddha. So the originality of his thought in his cultural millieu remains. Christianity's problems only began because it became a state religion. That's when politics and political interests started warping its message and adding stuff. That's not Jesus's fault. I'm sure he would appalled at what has happened to his message. Last edited by Twosugars; 29-06-2018 at 12:19 PM. |
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29-06-2018, 12:26 PM | #123 | ||
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29-06-2018, 01:41 PM | #124 | |||
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I know your statement that he was mentioned in roman history was to LT, but he actually wasn't. There are no mentions of him in the literature from the time he was supposed to have lived, but there were a couple of forgeries that were added a later date to make it look as though he was a contemporary, Josephus being the best example of this.
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29-06-2018, 01:48 PM | #125 | ||
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No time atm to corroborate, but here's a link to Tacitus's confirmation of Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ |
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