[Twosugars]

LT, abuse in Catholic Church was more than anywhere else because there's celibacy. Celibacy was not invented by Jesus or Old Testament. It was added later, by people.
I don't see why Jesus should be blamed for that and Jesus is the topic of your thread.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Religion and religious beliefs bring great peace and comfort to some. I really dont understand the need for some people to ridicule and mock people of faith.

Some people use religion to excuse and explain atrocities as though they were carrying out some greater orders.

I don't agree with pushing religion onto children, my parent's (neither of whom ever attend church) were really pissed off that I didn't have.my some christened but I said he should choose as and when he wants to get christened. He may want to follow another religion, he may want to become a jedi and when he decides that he can do it.

I believe Jesus was a very religious man of his time. Son of god, born if a virgin....Not so much but I remain open minded and respect people's wishes to believe that.

I think because people see so many bad examples of religion or what they "think" is religion it makes them ignorant .

Of course there's always wolves in sheep clothing ,and dishonest corruption but it's ridiculous to put everyone in the same box .

The crazy fanatics are always the ones who get air time as well .

But yeah as I was saying the normal average person in religion is just minding their own business getting on with things ,and are peaceful .

Nothing wrong with a healthy debate,but I don't understand why people mock take the p is s out of religion .

As I've said I don't believe in reincarnation but I don't make fun of it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

LT, abuse in Catholic Church was more than anywhere else because there's celibacy. Celibacy was not invented by Jesus or Old Testament. It was added later, by people.
I don't see why Jesus should be blamed for that and Jesus is the topic of your thread.

I dont think anyone is blaming Jesus, why do you say that?

The fault lies in a cult that is based on hideous lies and abuse of power

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont think anyone is blaming Jesus, why do you say that?

The fault lies in a cult that is based on hideous lies and abuse of power

I get confused. We're moving all over the place with this convo: Jesus, later doctrinal additions, Islam, church as institution, geopolitics...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I get confused. We're moving all over the place with this convo: Jesus, later doctrinal additions, Islam, church as institution, geopolitics...

its the insidious nature of religion. the whole thing is based on lies so its no surprise

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont think anyone is blaming Jesus, why do you say that?

The fault lies in a cult that is based on hideous lies and abuse of power

All kinds of people abuse their power that's pretty evident . Which is what I've been saying.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

All kinds of people abuse their power that's pretty evident . Which is what I've been saying.

and?

[Twosugars]

You're simplifying too much, LT. I'm with GoldHeart on this

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You're simplifying too much, LT. I'm with GoldHeart on this

LT isn't making sense

Like I said if a teacher is doing illegal stuff ,are we going to tar every school and teacher with the same brush ?.

And some Athiests force their opinions on other and they are argumentative , just because others have religion .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

LT isn't making sense

Like I said if a teacher is doing illegal stuff ,are we going to tar every school and teacher with the same brush ?.

And some Athiests force their opinions on other and they are argumentative , just because others have religion .

No one including myself has said that abuse is only in religion

I dont know what you are railing against

You seem to be saying that just because abuse of children occurs else where we should somehow dismiss it

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No one including myself has said that abuse is only in religion

I dont know what you are railing against

You seem to be saying that just because abuse of children occurs else where we should somehow dismiss it

Stop twisting things
I never said we should dismiss it . You were the one acting like Religion is abuse , which is not true .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

LT isn't making sense

Like I said if a teacher is doing illegal stuff ,are we going to tar every school and teacher with the same brush ?.

And some Athiests force their opinions on other and they are argumentative , just because others have religion .

Agree.

It'd be better if we concentrated on Jesus and early Christianity as the OP suggests. Other issues should be discussed elsewhere.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Stop twisting things
I never said we should dismiss it . You were the one acting like Religion is abuse , which is not true .

Of course its abuse

Do you not consider lying to children to make them feel guilty abuse?

[montblanc]

we stan a king

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by montblanc

we stan a king

Christ? Or LT?

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Christ? Or LT?

if LT can walk on water then him too

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by montblanc

if LT can walk on water then him too

I love him but he's sinking fast on this thread.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Of course its abuse

Do you not consider lying to children to make them feel guilty abuse?

Whether you're trolling or not that is a very warped ignorant statement , just think about what you just said .

You keep twisting things

[kirklancaster]

For LT in the cause of PEACE, HARMONY, and LOVE and TOLERANCE on TIBB

Youtube video

"How Great Thou Art"

Oh Lord my God when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds thy hands have made.

I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder
Thy power throughout the universe displayed.

When Christ shall come
With shout of acclamation
To take me home,
What joy shall fill my heart.

Then I shall bow in humble adoration
And there proclaim my God how great thou art.

Then sings my soul my saviour God to thee
How great thou art
How great thou art
Then sings my soul my saviour God to thee
How great thou art how great thou art.

[user104658]

I don't actually disagree with LT to be fair. Abuse is probably too strong a word but I am in total agreement that the indoctrination of children into any religion as "truth" is 100% wrong.

[Denver]

Mary is a slaggy slag Jesus was a laddy lad he should have just got with Betty

[MTVN]

Well been a while since we've had a thread like this, what's spurred the sudden need to belittle Christianity?

[Cherie]

How can you complain about cults when you play golf LT live and let live

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well been a while since we've had a thread like this, what's spurred the sudden need to belittle Christianity?

I'm just waiting to let loose in defence of Christ and Faith and Belief, Mat, but hope that when I do, I receive mature and intelligent responses instead of the juvenile tosh and erroneous 'facts' which have littered this thread from SOME NOT ALL contributors thus far.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Mary is a slaggy slag Jesus was a laddy lad he should have just got with Betty

Mary was his mother, not his wife.