[user104658]

My dad was hit as a kid and never hit me or my sister. My wife was hit as a kid and has never hit either of ours...

Just because it's a cultural or family "tradition" doesnt mean that it can't be changed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly, a lot of difference

So when you smack a child, is the aim to hurt them or not?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

ive been told many times i do not understand the "struggle" lgbt people have because im not gay

if we waded into an lbgt debate we would soon be told we have no idea what we are on about...


but hey

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's a totally different topic tbf to what we're talking about. I agree with alot of that too (of course id' probably replace "mother" with parents though

Its usually the mother who picks the kiddies up from school while Dads doing his drug run

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if we waded into an lbgt debate we would soon be told we have no idea what we are on about...


but hey

Its been said to straight members very often

[Crimson Dynamo]

What difference do you think banning the belt at schools has made?


for the good, if so how?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive been told many times I do not understand the "struggle" LGBT people have because Im not gay

Of course you don't, but that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. You tried to suppress my opinion by basically saying I couldn't have a say if I don't have kids.

You can't understand what it's like to be LGBT but nobody has ever tried to suppress your right to an opinion on it.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So parents that grow up in other cultures teach their kids different things?
Who knew... So culturally if you grow up in a traditional Caribbean home in the UK smacking is fine or no?

I think you are failing to take in what I said??

My mum was beaten black and blue for things such as smoking or having a bf or stuff like that

So threw her experiences she knew what real punishment was and that allowed her to give her kids a total different punishment to which she received

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So when you smack a child, is the aim to hurt them or not?

Of course it not to hurt them, it to stop them doing what they are doing and showing them you mean it

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if we waded into an lbgt debate we would soon be told we have no idea what we are on about...


but hey

That's hardly anything to complain about when you have both just attempted to ostracise somebody else for participating in a discussion that may not directly concern them. In fact if you're so eager to put somebody else down for it, then you shouldn't be surprised to receive the same treatment.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Of course it not to hurt them, it to stop them doing what they are doing and showing them you mean it

So if the slaps don't hurt, how does it teach them anything?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Of course you don't, but that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. You tried to suppress my opinion by basically saying I couldn't have a say if I don't have kids.

You can't understand what it's like to be LGBT but nobody has ever tried to suppress your right to an opinion on it.

Seriously ? I cannot believe what Im reading here ,I will save this comment for use in the future

[AnnieK]

I have never smacked my son - I was smacked as a kid on a rare occasion but mainly my mum would just give us "the lips" basically her lips would go white when she was about the explode and that was more than ample warning to shut up pretty sharpish.

I was at primary school when the ban on teachers hitting came in - the best teacher in the school actually retired - that was how she got results on the fear of getting the shakey makey off her - she also used to give one of the boys the slipper EVERY morning, just as a reminder what would happen if he misbehaved (he was very naughty and actually is now in prison for life so discipline did him no good).

In short, no you don't have to smack your kids to discipline them - ever. In my house wifi off, early night and football ban does the trick - all you have to do is enforce it and not back down!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

That's hardly anything to complain about when you have both just attempted to ostracise somebody else for participating in a discussion that may not directly concern them. In fact if you're so eager to put somebody else down for it, then you shouldn't be surprised to receive the same treatment.

I'd like to add Dezzy wasn't the only one who doesn't have kids but commented, difference is the others were on the "right" side

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So if the slaps don't hurt, how does it teach them anything?

We will agree to disagree, I believe in raising children to respect others and be decent human beings who can be taken anywhere and knowing they will behave

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So if the slaps don't hurt, how does it teach them anything?

Its the shock


I got an over the knee walloping for going on garage roofs when i was about 4

Never did it again and never got it again

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

IMO the main reason todays kids are out of control is down to parents who put themselves before their children, they have no home security, Mothers out on the lash all weekend while they are dumped here, there and everywhere ,I see Mothers pick their kids up from school while busy on their phones telling the world on Facebook what they are doing ......... CarlyLuvsHerKidsSmith "On school run " Put your phone down, hold your childs hand and ask them what they've done at school

They get little Johnny home ,let him go on his Xbox until his ready meal is cooked ,then back off upstairs he goes, hardly had a chance to talk to his Mother as she was playing Candy Crush or telling her mates how her spray tan turned out while he was eating his tea

Children need to be made to feel special to their parents, not just a little someone they get extra benefits for to fund their new iPhone

See I agree with all of that; kids who go out of control do so because they aren't getting to spend quality time with their families or increasingly even their peers.

We've had flak (especially online) in the past for the fact that our daughter has been allowed to "play out" with her friends since she was 7...which was totally normal when I was a kid... But a lot of people now say they shouldn't be out without an adult until the age of 12!? Which is madness. I mean I get it for those who have no choice but to live in inner-city areas but in smaller, safer places even though there will always be risks, the tradeoff by not allowing kids any freedom is life-long and huge. A generation of timid, risk-averse, socially anxious young adults.

Of course, hitting / not hitting doesn't come into that at all.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Seriously ? I cannot believe what Im reading here ,I will save this comment for use in the future

Instead of the vague baiting, why don't you try to explain what's wrong with it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

We will agree to disagree, I believe in raising children to respect others and be decent human beings who can be taken anywhere and knowing they will behave

as do I

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

We will agree to disagree, I believe in raising children to respect others and be decent human beings who can be taken anywhere and knowing they will behave

the irony with you saying this lol

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'd like to add Dezzy wasn't the only one who doesn't have kids but commented, difference is the others were on the "right" side

I dont know the other members you talk about if you are referring to me and dont know who has or has not got children ,but I know he hasn't .......Am I bullying him again

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not that it's any excuse or helps at all parm, but it sounds like he was probably a deeply depressed individual. Again not that that makes things any better for you then or now.

Nah, he was just a fake old bastard...at his funeral i heard all the stories about how he would do peoples leccy needs for free if they were a bit skint..
How former rugby players looked up to him as a trainer.
How he never swore at us in public....but behind closed doors..

He honestly had nothing to be depressed about....he used to go without for holidays..make our xmas pressies..
But his temper...omg.


His dad fought in the war for the first 5 years of his life and was mothered by his mum..but im making excuses for him....i whispered in his ear that i loved him as he lay dying...but that was me at 44.
.it would have been different if i was 17-21

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its the shock


I got an over the knee walloping for going on garage roofs when i was about 4

Never did it again and never got it again

How is it a shock if it doesn't hurt or why would you be shocked enough by something that doesn't even hurt enough to never mis behave again, that makes no sense.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I dont know the other members you talk about if you are referring to me and dont know who has or has not got children ,but I know he hasn't .......Am I bullying him again

Well It seemed pretty obvious that Adam doesn't have kids as he spoke about being a kid and his niece but not actually his own kids

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I know it's pretty unpopular a sentiment and I can see why, but I generally don't think smacking your child is that bad... it's unpleasant, sure, and it can be overused and quickly turn into abuse, but I think in cases of extreme bad behaviour it can be justified, and for all my faults with my upbringing, my mum slapping my ass every once in a while asn't one of them

I just think people are too weak-willed generally to set up these complicated af Supernanny hierarchical structures where you have different timed punishments, and sitting on a stair... I just don't think it does anything that "punishing" to a child. And how easy is it to cave and give back a kid's Xbox or phone because they won't stop throwing tantrums about it being taken off of them?

All this said, I would never be comfortable with it taking place in schools.

This pretty much