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user104658 · 06-07-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

The same would have applied to Obama, Clinton and all other American presidents. The system is the system that apples to all - so your point is pointless!

Obama won the popular vote by nearly 10 million votes.

Trump LOST the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes.

... It doesn't apply at all?

Underscore · 06-07-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Obama won the popular vote by nearly 10 million votes.

Trump LOST the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes.

... It doesn't apply at all?

My point exactly!

Brillopad · 06-07-2018, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Underscore

My point exactly!

No it wasn’t.

Underscore · 06-07-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

No it wasn’t.

Don’t you dare tell me what you think I meant.

I clearly said trump didn’t win the most votes and the system elected him... therefore he was undemocratically elected

Matthew. · 06-07-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Obama won the popular vote by nearly 10 million votes.

Trump LOST the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes.

... It doesn't apply at all?

great point!

Brillopad · 06-07-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew.

great point!

Changes nothing.

Matthew. · 06-07-2018, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

Changes nothing.

like Underscore said, it means you shouldn’t exactly be describing him as democratically elected. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Donald Trump lost but because of the ridiculous electoral college thing they have over there, Trump still won.

bots · 06-07-2018, 10:14 AM

Trump was democratically elected because it was the democratic system that all parties agreed to abide by

kirklancaster · 06-07-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump was democratically elected because it was the democratic system that all parties agreed to abide by

Thank God for some HONESTY and balance. I am sick of straw-clutching pedantic hair-splitting drivel on here.

Underscore · 06-07-2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Thank God for some HONESTY and balance. I am sick of straw-clutching pedantic hair-splitting drivel on here.

That’s your opinion - no opinion is true unless backed up by a fact.

Democracy is rule by the majority.

Trump is practicing rule by the minority.

chuff me dizzy · 06-07-2018, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Thank God for some HONESTY and balance. I am sick of straw-clutching pedantic hair-splitting drivel on here.

Ditto

user104658 · 06-07-2018, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Thank God for some HONESTY and balance. I am sick of straw-clutching pedantic hair-splitting drivel on here.

If that's the case Kirk, and not disputing that Trump was legitimately elected president by the country's established electoral system;

Did the majority of voting US citizens vote for Trump?

Yes or no.

And therefore, can it be stated that he represents the majority of US citizens (not the US as a country).

Again yes or no.

Brillopad · 06-07-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Obama won the popular vote by nearly 10 million votes.

Trump LOST the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes.

... It doesn't apply at all?

Regardless it is the system - he won - people really need to get over it. The same people are sulking about Trump and Brexit because the votes didn’t go their way - diddums!

Underscore · 06-07-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

Regardless it is the system - he won - people really need to get over it. The same people are sulking about Trump and Brexit because the votes didn’t go their way - diddums!

So don’t continue calling him democratically elected.

Brillopad · 06-07-2018, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Underscore

So don’t continue calling him democratically elected.

He won - that’s all that counts in a democracy!

Underscore · 06-07-2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

He won - that’s all that counts in a democracy!

No... democracy is getting the most votes and winning. That’s the whole point of a democracy otherwise it’s an autocracy...

Brillopad · 06-07-2018, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Underscore

No... democracy is getting the most votes and winning. That’s the whole point of a democracy otherwise it’s an autocracy...

That’s the system that all were aware of. Can’t change the system because it didn’t work in your favour. Sick of all the sore losers trying every trick in the book to overturn democracy when it suits and the constant whinging and whining. It won’t change anything. You would be blowing a gasket if it were the other way round.

Underscore · 06-07-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

That’s the system that all were aware of. Can’t change the system because it didn’t work in your favour. Sick of all the sore losers trying every trick in the book to overturn democracy when it suits and the constant whinging and whining. It won’t change anything. You would be blowing a gasket if it were the other way round.

What? We’re sore losers for wanting a fair and open democracy that you know... actually is a democracy?