[Ammi]

..I do agree with you, Brillo...that explaining or showing things that develop education which are sex related do come later...it all has to be age appropriate...and an individual parent will decide age appropriate for some things for their child...but love and marriage etc are not age appropriate things....

[Ammi]

...lol...’will you marry me please to help raise that statistic and make it 4.000000000001...is just not that romantic of a proposal I don’t think......

...let’s keep it relatable to love and romance which is what it’s about...

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...lol...’will you marry me please to help raise that statistic and make it 4.000000000001...is just not that romantic of a proposal I don’t think......

...let’s keep it relatable to love and romance which is what it’s about...

no lets stick to facts

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I do agree with you, Brillo...that explaining or showing things that develop education which are sex related do come later...it all has to be age appropriate...and an individual parent will decide age appropriate for some things for their child...but love and marriage etc are not age appropriate things....

But adult relationships, be it marriage or civil partnerships are based on sex - they are directly related - you can’t separate the two. It sometimes feels that some people, and I don’t mean all gay people, just some people, are trying to mould young fragile minds and steer them into their way of thinking - start with the ostensibly innocent act of slipping gay love into cartoons and then the rest when they get to secondary school.

It’s natural to want to protect the young and vulnerable and not expose them to outside influences from things they don’t need to understand so young. Just make it clear love is about loving and caring for everyone. I think we are making things too complicated too young.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But adult relationships, be it marriage or civil partnerships are based on sex - they are directly related - you can’t separate the two. It sometimes feels that some people, and I don’t mean all gay people, just some people, are trying to mould young fragile minds and steer them into their way of thinking - start with the ostensibly innocent act of slipping gay love into cartoons and then the rest when they get to secondary school.

It’s natural to want to protect the young and vulnerable and not expose them to outside influences from things they don’t need to understand so young. Just make it clear love is about loving and caring for everyone. I think we are making things too complicated too young.

so if you were to have a gay couple in your family you would just hide them away from your children?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

so if you were to have a gay couple in your family you would just hide them away from your children?

No. In that situation it would need to be explained to the child by the parents in the simplest possible way. You answer according to the questions asked using a bit of commonsense. That doesn’t mean all children need to understand so young.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But adult relationships, be it marriage or civil partnerships are based on sex - they are directly related - you can’t separate the two.

So does that mean any form of marriage or relationship should be hidden from kids' shows?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So does that mean any form of marriage or relationship should be hidden from kids' shows?

Don’t try and railroad me Oliver - you know exactly what I mean.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don’t try and railroad me Oliver - you know exactly what I mean.

I'm not trying to railroad - I'm just asking how a gay relationship is inherently more sexual than a straight one, especially if the presentation onscreen makes it so they're no different to straights?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm not trying to railroad - I'm just asking how a gay relationship is inherently more sexual than a straight one, especially if the presentation onscreen makes it so they're no different to straights?

How can being of a given sexuality not be based on sex. Also It has always been presumed (wedding night) that any such relationship is consummated to legitimise it. I wouldn’t imagine there are many, if any, such relationships that have never involved sex. It’s not all about sex, but sex is a very relevant part of it - especially in the young and/or new relationships.

At no point did I say a gay relationship was inherently more sexual. But including it in cartoons is about planting a seed - and I think it is inappropriate and unnecessary at that age.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How can being of a given sexuality not be based on sex. Also It has always been presumed (wedding night) that any such relationship is consummated to legitimise it. I wouldn’t imagine there are many, if any, such relationships that have never involved sex. It’s not all about sex, but sex is a very relevant part of it - especially in the young and/or new relationships.

At no point did I say a gay relationship was inherently more sexual. But including it in cartoons is about planting a seed - and I think it is inappropriate and unnecessary at that age.

I guess we'd better not show parents in cartoons then - they have definitely bumped uglies at some point! In fact, all relatives are evidence of sex, better not show any!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How can being of a given sexuality not be based on sex. Also It has always been presumed (wedding night) that any such relationship is consummated to legitimise it. I wouldn’t imagine there are many, if any, such relationships that have never involved sex. It’s not all about sex, but sex is a very relevant part of it - especially in the young and/or new relationships.

At no point did I say a gay relationship was inherently more sexual. But including it in cartoons is about planting a seed - and I think it is inappropriate and unnecessary at that age.

...but heterosexual is a sexuality also...but there are many portrayals of love and marriage for children within that sexuality...is that wrong also, Brillo...Cinderella and Prince Charming, Aladdin and Jasmine, Robin Hood and Maid Marion, Ariel and Eric...are they all wrong because they portray heterosexual love and marriage so are based on sex..?...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But adult relationships, be it marriage or civil partnerships are based on sex - they are directly related - you can’t separate the two. It sometimes feels that some people, and I don’t mean all gay people, just some people, are trying to mould young fragile minds and steer them into their way of thinking - start with the ostensibly innocent act of slipping gay love into cartoons and then the rest when they get to secondary school.

It’s natural to want to protect the young and vulnerable and not expose them to outside influences from things they don’t need to understand so young. Just make it clear love is about loving and caring for everyone. I think we are making things too complicated too young.

..I honestly still don’t understand, Brillo...is Cinderella and Prince Charming..(..for instance..)...not an adult relationship...not an adult portrayal of falling in love...where was the sex in that...?...where did we say, no that’s not ok to portray love to children because we will make them think of sex if we do that...?...what would be the difference on TV or in a movie or a book etc...if the two people were of the same sex...it’s still love and it’s still an age appropriate portrayal of love..?...children see parental displays of love as a natural thing, the holding of hands, the hugs, the kisses etc...because love doesn’t display anything sexual between two people...?...

[Ammi]

...What if a a small child were to say ‘I have two daddies’ or ‘I have a papa and a daddy, I don’t have a mummy, like you do’....would we say...well yes that’s lovely, some people do have a mummy and a daddy and some people have a papa and daddy and that’s perfectly normal, we’re all unique families, type thing...or would we say...shhhhh now, we don’t talk about that, we don’t address that, that’s a ‘taboo subject’...you’ll find out when you’re older and able to understand it...’but I do understand it because I have them, that’s what I have...a daddy and a papa...’.....what’s to understand...?....