[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But adult relationships, be it marriage or civil partnerships are based on sex - they are directly related - you can’t separate the two.

So does that mean any form of marriage or relationship should be hidden from kids' shows?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So does that mean any form of marriage or relationship should be hidden from kids' shows?

Don’t try and railroad me Oliver - you know exactly what I mean.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don’t try and railroad me Oliver - you know exactly what I mean.

I'm not trying to railroad - I'm just asking how a gay relationship is inherently more sexual than a straight one, especially if the presentation onscreen makes it so they're no different to straights?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm not trying to railroad - I'm just asking how a gay relationship is inherently more sexual than a straight one, especially if the presentation onscreen makes it so they're no different to straights?

How can being of a given sexuality not be based on sex. Also It has always been presumed (wedding night) that any such relationship is consummated to legitimise it. I wouldn’t imagine there are many, if any, such relationships that have never involved sex. It’s not all about sex, but sex is a very relevant part of it - especially in the young and/or new relationships.

At no point did I say a gay relationship was inherently more sexual. But including it in cartoons is about planting a seed - and I think it is inappropriate and unnecessary at that age.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How can being of a given sexuality not be based on sex. Also It has always been presumed (wedding night) that any such relationship is consummated to legitimise it. I wouldn’t imagine there are many, if any, such relationships that have never involved sex. It’s not all about sex, but sex is a very relevant part of it - especially in the young and/or new relationships.

At no point did I say a gay relationship was inherently more sexual. But including it in cartoons is about planting a seed - and I think it is inappropriate and unnecessary at that age.

I guess we'd better not show parents in cartoons then - they have definitely bumped uglies at some point! In fact, all relatives are evidence of sex, better not show any!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How can being of a given sexuality not be based on sex. Also It has always been presumed (wedding night) that any such relationship is consummated to legitimise it. I wouldn’t imagine there are many, if any, such relationships that have never involved sex. It’s not all about sex, but sex is a very relevant part of it - especially in the young and/or new relationships.

At no point did I say a gay relationship was inherently more sexual. But including it in cartoons is about planting a seed - and I think it is inappropriate and unnecessary at that age.

...but heterosexual is a sexuality also...but there are many portrayals of love and marriage for children within that sexuality...is that wrong also, Brillo...Cinderella and Prince Charming, Aladdin and Jasmine, Robin Hood and Maid Marion, Ariel and Eric...are they all wrong because they portray heterosexual love and marriage so are based on sex..?...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but heterosexual is a sexuality also...but there are many portrayals of love and marriage for children within that sexuality...is that wrong also, Brillo...Cinderella and Prince Charming, Aladdin and Jasmine, Robin Hood and Maid Marion, Ariel and Eric...are they all wrong because they portray heterosexual love and marriage so are based on sex..?...

They don't have bum fun or oral shenanigans and there's only 50% of the semen (a manageable amount) so it's acceptable.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but heterosexual is a sexuality also...but there are many portrayals of love and marriage for children within that sexuality...is that wrong also, Brillo...Cinderella and Prince Charming, Aladdin and Jasmine, Robin Hood and Maid Marion, Ariel and Eric...are they all wrong because they portray heterosexual love and marriage so are based on sex..?...

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

...yeah sorry I should have said inappropriate or not suitable, Brillo...apologies for that...I guess I’m just trying to understand your thought connections in this...I mean I see you have an opinion but there reasons for our opinions, you know reasons why they’re formed...either with experiences or thought processes and connections..?..and I’m just struggling to understand really because I’d like to say...ah yeah, I do see...even if I don’t agree, at least I do understand why your opinion is what it is, you know....?...anyways I don’t want to contribute to any ‘pushed feelings’ ...so I’ll just leave it there...


...I think it’s just that thing for me that some people seem to perceive gay as ‘sex’ but don’t perceive straight as ‘sex’ in the same way, which when you think about it, doesn’t make sense...gay people love, straight people love and so far as young children’s information goes...that’s as far as the story goes...people love in a romantic way, sexuality doesn’t need to be addressed any further...

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

Secondary school is too late; without positive exposure to same-sex relationships, homophobic rhetoric is commonplace by the start of secondary school.

I don't think you can quite underestimate what kind of impact having positive exposure to LGBT relationships at a young age would have on young LGBT people's lives.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

Planting a seed for what exactly? If you're scared kids seeing a gay relationship on TV will somehow determine their sexuality later in life you needn't worry because we'd all be straight with the amount of princes and princesses shoved down our throats at a young age.

It's actually your way of thinking that it's something that's best "suitable" to be discussed later in life that leaves so many LGBT people struggling to accept their sexuality and why so many straight people completely refuse to believe in it because they've been brought up from a young age to only believe heterosexual relationships exist.