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TomC · 08-07-2018, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

I never used the word ‘wrong’ about either sexuality Ammi. I just know that like many parents I wouldn’t want that seed planted in my children’s minds so young. It am also annoyed by the continued pressure from certain quarters to force parents to conform to their way of thinking.

I think secondary school is a perfectly suitable time for children to learn more about same sex relationships and the rights of parents of that opinion to have that opinion are just as valid as those who don’t agree. The pushiness of some on this subject is getting pretty tiresome to be honest - I don’t mean you Ammi, you are always pleasant and considerate even when you don’t agree.

Secondary school is too late; without positive exposure to same-sex relationships, homophobic rhetoric is commonplace by the start of secondary school.

I don't think you can quite underestimate what kind of impact having positive exposure to LGBT relationships at a young age would have on young LGBT people's lives.

Tom4784 · 08-07-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh yeah I understand that.

Genuinely not sure what people are objecting to here. I could understand if the cartoon had showed graphic scenes of the wedding night or something, but that would be an issue with a straight relationship too

It's the whole idea that gay relationships are somehow incapable of being presented as pure or as similar to straight relationships. It's just a thought process to prevent it being normalised tbh even though it makes no sense.

Vicky. · 08-07-2018, 01:22 PM

Yeah sometimes with stuf like this I can understand the opposing viewpoint, even if I disagree with it. For example the gay cake thing. I could understand both sides of it. But with this, I can think of no reason at all to be against it, besides being homophobic. Which may seem obvious...but yeah, I would love someone to change my mind on that though..or at least try to get me to understand, someone who disagrees that gay relationships should be portayed on TV/kids shows. But I cannot see it. All the negative reactions seem to be along the 'omg, pure filth!' line, which is ridiculous.

Withano · 08-07-2018, 01:24 PM

So cute, I’m assuming the PC brigade are kicking up a fuss about this?

Ant. · 08-07-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by montblanc

i didn’t know you had one

well I did and it flopped so I've just been here unable to talk about the D***** A***** to ANYONE

Brillopad · 08-07-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TomC

Secondary school is too late; without positive exposure to same-sex relationships, homophobic rhetoric is commonplace by the start of secondary school.

I don't think you can quite underestimate what kind of impact having positive exposure to LGBT relationships at a young age would have on young LGBT people's lives.

And I don’t think you understand this from a parent’s point of view. Stalemate I think.

Brillopad · 08-07-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah sorry I should have said inappropriate or not suitable, Brillo...apologies for that...I guess I’m just trying to understand your thought connections in this...I mean I see you have an opinion but there reasons for our opinions, you know reasons why they’re formed...either with experiences or thought processes and connections..?..and I’m just struggling to understand really because I’d like to say...ah yeah, I do see...even if I don’t agree, at least I do understand why your opinion is what it is, you know....?...anyways I don’t want to contribute to any ‘pushed feelings’ ...so I’ll just leave it there...

...I think it’s just that thing for me that some people seem to perceive gay as ‘sex’ but don’t perceive straight as ‘sex’ in the same way, which when you think about it, doesn’t make sense...gay people love, straight people love and so far as young children’s information goes...that’s as far as the story goes...people love in a romantic way, sexuality doesn’t need to be addressed any further...

Maybe Ammi - I just don’t feel that comfortable with it.

Vicky. · 08-07-2018, 01:57 PM

I understand it from a parents point of view. And have no issue with it at all. Infact I would like to see much more normalizing of gay relationships. They are not something that should be hidden away tbh. Just think how many kids have 'unconventional' families these days, be that single parent families, 2 fathers, 2 mothers..whatever. If all kids see is the general mum and dad and 2.4 children type families, it will surely make them think there is something 'wrong' with their own setup?

Withano · 08-07-2018, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

And I don’t think you understand this from a parent’s point of view. Stalemate I think.

There are several parents in this thread. You can’t blame you discomfort with homosexuality on being a parent, sorry, you just cant.

Oliver_W · 08-07-2018, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Just think how many kids have 'unconventional' families these days, be that single parent families, 2 fathers, 2 mothers..whatever.

Well, quite. When I was on supply the other day one kid said "my mums are from Poland and Australia" and I accidentally said "pardon?" and someone else loudly said "Poland and Australia" haha

montblanc · 08-07-2018, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

And I don’t think you understand this from a parent’s point of view. Stalemate I think.

montblanc · 08-07-2018, 02:36 PM

ah just CAN’T

Ammi · 08-07-2018, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

And I don’t think you understand this from a parent’s point of view. Stalemate I think.

..I guess from a parental point of view, Brillo...I would say that you would be a parent that would never ever want your child to feel they were perceived as ‘taboo’ in some way...something that wasn’t suitable for children, for their peers somehow...that some society views would perceive them or their family as ‘not the norm’....so to encourage TV programmes like this that present the realities of love and marriage, could only be a good and progressive thing...any discomfort that a parent might feel is only because of their own ‘conditioning’ from childhood as a perceived ‘norm’...the only way that can change and prevent prejudice is for it to end and for change to happen...changes like this and what we as parents present to our children as the norm....

Maru · 08-07-2018, 04:33 PM

I'm failing to see the issue here... Yes I do agree govt and institutions often try to supercede the parents on their parental authoritt, but that is for a different thread and not related to media... even if it is an issue with religion, even then I dont think normalizing cartoons with what they may encounter irl is not sensible... if you're religious then that will be the reality. anyway.

TomC · 08-07-2018, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

There are several parents in this thread. You can’t blame you discomfort with homosexuality on being a parent, sorry, you just cant.

Put better than I could put it. Ridiculous, why should a parent have a problem?

TomC · 08-07-2018, 04:35 PM

I am gay, and I am the child of two parents, and I am sure my parents quite understand how beneficial more exposure would have been to me and other LGBT children.

TomC · 08-07-2018, 04:40 PM

Then again, I'm not sure why I am bothering, as one person, or even ten individuals cannot argue with ingrained homophobia

Ninastar · 08-07-2018, 04:52 PM

Hate the show and everything Bout it, but I can’t deny that it’s great for our community

Black Dagger · 08-07-2018, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

You can get raped in a big city or a small country town on a night out period if you are female. You can get battered for anything. Why is it any different being gay?

If you can't see it I am not going to force you too. You be you!

Brillopad · 08-07-2018, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

There are several parents in this thread. You can’t blame you discomfort with homosexuality on being a parent, sorry, you just cant.

And those that don’t share the same opinion are entitled to it. There are plenty of parents that don’t. You don’t tell others how to feel!

Brillopad · 08-07-2018, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TomC

Put better than I could put it. Ridiculous, why should a parent have a problem?

Many do. It isn’t your place to tell them you know better - you don’t.

Mystic Mock · 08-07-2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What's that cartoon where the boy's sister is a lez, and his friend has gay parents?

Are you on about The Loud House? I love the practical joker in that cartoon, she has my awful sense of humour.

With Steven Universe I'm glad that they're joining this campaign to make gay relationships acceptable on children's TV, and hopefully they don't make them as annoying as adult TV Show romances can be between two homosexuals sometimes.