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Just to add some other things in to the mix. Control of immigration doesnt need to be some big nasty thing. It could mean that nearly everyone that wants to come in is allowed, its just a mechanism to make sure that everything still runs smoothly.

From a political stand point .... it's also perfectly feasible for 1 government to open the flood gates as it were and another to close them. The point being that in the EU as it stands, we as a sovereign nation are not allowed that level of control, whether we need it or not. That is the fundamental issue.


With regard to integration. Where I grew up in Scotland, we have had loads of immigrants from poland, pakistan and china. While they have still managed to retain some of their cultural identity, my experience is that the majority are now proud to be scottish too. In England, that has not been my experience so much. So what has caused that. Is it an unwillingness to integrate or less than welcoming country willing to accept immigrants. My feeling is that it's a bit of both

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Just to add some other things in to the mix. Control of immigration doesnt need to be some big nasty thing. It could mean that nearly everyone that wants to come in is allowed, its just a mechanism to make sure that everything still runs smoothly.

From a political stand point .... it's also perfectly feasible for 1 government to open the flood gates as it were and another to close them. The point being that in the EU as it stands, we as a sovereign nation are not allowed that level of control, whether we need it or not. That is the fundamental issue.


With regard to integration. Where I grew up in Scotland, we have had loads of immigrants from poland, pakistan and china. While they have still managed to retain some of their cultural identity, my experience is that the majority are now proud to be scottish too. In England, that has not been my experience so much. So what has caused that. Is it an unwillingness to integrate or less than welcoming country willing to accept immigrants. My feeling is that it's a bit of both

Maybe that’s because England is more over-crowded than Scotland - just a thought!