[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why quote my post like I'm responsible for it? I'm not the one clamouring for war or acting like Shariah Law is even a possibility.

The muslim hysteria is utterly ridiculous and illogical, there's never going to be a 'muslim takeover' it's just people doing their best to justify their prejudice and Trump feeds on that prejudice since it's what got him elected.

I never said YOU were solely responsible .
I just responded to the latest comment ,which happened to be yours so don't take it personal .

But this thread is losing its way with the "Muslim hysteria" as you put it .

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, how? Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. You are painting in broad strokes.

The minority, if anything, will likely shrink in generations to come since newer generations will be and have been raised in a western culture and will only know the freedoms that comes with it.

Sorry, but this is ALL grossly erroneous.

1) "Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. "

The above statement is factually wrong because:

a) It takes no account of exploding birthrates among Immigrant mothers who are ALREADY in the UK.

Data from September 2015 show that the number of migrant babies born in the UK was at a record high with over a quarter of all births now being to foreign-born mothers and it is calculated that by 2021 over one-third of all UK babies born will be to immigrant mothers if the trend continues.

By contrast birthrates to UK-born mothers fell slightly from 1.77 to 1.76.
.
By way of example, the birthrate to non-UK born mothers in the heavily immigrant-populated London borough of Newham was a staggering 76.7 per cent of all births in there in 2016.

Immigrants, notably Muslims, are also much younger - 30.4 years as opposed to 43.8 to their UK born counterparts and produce more children; 2.6 as opposed to 1.6.

b) Even in 2014 ONS data showed that mass migration had caused the UK's population to soar past 64 million for the first time and in just ONE year - from 2012 to 2013 an extra 400,000 people were living here - a large number of whom were Muslim.

So while you are correct that "not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist" a percentage of those 'coming in' ARE fundamentalists and it also follows that of the Muslim babies which are born here SOME are being born into Islamic Fundamentalist families.

When added to those fundamentalists and their sympathisers who are ALREADY ensconced here, the above numbers - though still a tiny minority of the majority of peaceful, law-abiding moderate Muslims within the UK - become seriously problematical:

TIBB has tens of thousands of members but it is only a hard-core of members who are the most vociferous and 'pro-active', and in some cases the more 'extreme', who post so regularly on the SD forums, the rest - being more passive - do not.

Yet, the greater the membership of TIBB becomes, then the greater the probability of at least some of those new members being pro-active, vociferous and even extreme in their views.

The difference between TIBB and the Muslim community is that on this forum WE hold no power and even our views are 'policed' for extremism or rule breaking by 'Moderators'.

Sadly, however, history teaches us that in the Muslim community it is the very fundamentalist minority themselves who control the silent peaceful majority.

I will not go into detail here but will do so in another post if challenged with the usual delusional dismissiveness, but it is a FACT that many Mosques and schools throughout the UK are preaching Jihad and hatred of 'Dirty Kuffar' non-Muslims - especially British whites.

It is a fact that many areas which are little more than Muslim enclaves are 'No Go' areas to indigenous white British.

It is a fact that Sharia Law is being OPENLY practised in many Towns and Cities within the UK and UK Law contemptuously ignored.

It is a fact that young Brtish Muslim males are attacking and insulting and intimidating British women on British streets who just happen to be wearing Western clothes and make-up.

It is a fact that even foreign tourists to the UK have been violently attacked by Muslims because they were walking along drinking from a can of beer on a hot Summer's day or some other innocent 'affront' to their Islamic code.

It is a fact that a cameraman filming a policeman talking with Islamic radicals who were recruiting was threatened ON FILM by Muslim males that he would "be killed" if he kept on filming. (The cowardly PC - probably intimidated by P.C. and a fear of being labelled 'Islamaphobic' - walked away. )

It is a fact that two elderly Christian Ministers were threatened with arrest by the British police because they were trying to hand out Christan pamphlets on a British street and were told: "This is a Muslim area and you are not allowed to do that in here" - and THIS from a British policeman.

The above are NOT isolated incidents but are occurring EVERY day somewhere in the UK.

The authorities; including Government, Councils AND police, are so intimidated by Political Correctness and a fear of being labelled 'Racist' and 'Islamaphobic' that they 'turn a blind eye' to these problems - which is why the Pakistani Muslim 'Child-Sex' grooming gangs were able to flourish with impunity for so long and in so many areas of the UK.

There is also the fact that a lot of our Councils, Education Boards, and other branches of the all-powerful decision-making, policy-drafting Civil service are already peppered with Muslims in positions of power.

British culture, British values and British traditions ARE already being eroded by Islamic Fundamentalists who have NO respect for their own people let alone the people of this country and I'm sorry, but it is you and every other like you who deny the truth about this who is a part of the problem.

Ridiculing members who try to illustrate this truth in their posts does not help.

Note to the Admin and Mods:

This is NOT an 'anti-Muslim' post, it is an anti-Muslim fundamentalist post - one which is merely responding to an erroneous post with provable fact and truth.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was going to say similar to this ,just because it hasn't affected you armand,doesn't mean to say it never will or doesn't happen.

I don't really feel comfortable walking around anywhere in England holding hands with a man and that has nothing to do with muslims here... In fact the only time I was made to feel uncomfortable because of my gayness was by a group of older white men in a pub

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think people should stop being racist. No one is being personal.

Earlier in this thread us British people were told that we have no culture.

How far up on your insult hierarchy does that get? because you haven't confronted them yet, so I'm guessing that you think it's ok to insult the British?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

I read and concur

Hi Maru,

I am conflicted by the urge/need to rectify propaganda and erroneous posts and the long-held realisation that this place is as much an arena for 'debate' as the average town centre pub at 11 pm on a Saturday night.

I think I've had enough though for a few months.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Strange-Dea.../dp/1472942248

This is a very interesting book that tackles this subject head on (and about culture)

[Maru]

I don't see LT as racist at all. His and other comnents in this section have been very helpful to understanding the anxiety behind the 2016 elections in the US.. which is kinda crazy actually because I've learned more here than from ppl back home. We don't all have to agree to benefit, but because SD has only become an echochamber for all the cultural upheaval in the West, it may not play well on a site that struggles with lowering activity.... there is going to be increasing tendency to clique up in response to these issues and for personal issues to play out there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Maru

I don't see LT as racist at all. His and other comnents in this section have been very helpful to understanding the anxiety behind the 2016 elections in the US.. which is kinda crazy actually because I've learned more here than from ppl back home. We don't all have to agree to benefit, but because SD has only become an echochamber for all the cultural upheaval in the West, it may not play well on a site that struggles with lowering activity.... there is going to be increasing tendency to clique up in response to these issues and for personal issues to play out there.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Sorry, but this is ALL grossly erroneous.

1) "Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. "

The above statement is factually wrong because:

a) It takes no account of exploding birthrates among Immigrant mothers who are ALREADY in the UK.

Data from September 2015 show that the number of migrant babies born in the UK was at a record high with over a quarter of all births now being to foreign-born mothers and it is calculated that by 2021 over one-third of all UK babies born will be to immigrant mothers if the trend continues.

By contrast birthrates to UK-born mothers fell slightly from 1.77 to 1.76.
.
By way of example, the birthrate to non-UK born mothers in the heavily immigrant-populated London borough of Newham was a staggering 76.7 per cent of all births in there in 2016.

Immigrants, notably Muslims, are also much younger - 30.4 years as opposed to 43.8 to their UK born counterparts and produce more children; 2.6 as opposed to 1.6.

b) Even in 2014 ONS data showed that mass migration had caused the UK's population to soar past 64 million for the first time and in just ONE year - from 2012 to 2013 an extra 400,000 people were living here - a large number of whom were Muslim.

So while you are correct that "not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist" a percentage of those 'coming in' ARE fundamentalists and it also follows that of the Muslim babies which are born here SOME are being born into Islamic Fundamentalist families.

When added to those fundamentalists and their sympathisers who are ALREADY ensconced here, the above numbers - though still a tiny minority of the majority of peaceful, law-abiding moderate Muslims within the UK - become seriously problematical:

TIBB has tens of thousands of members but it is only a hard-core of members who are the most vociferous and 'pro-active', and in some cases the more 'extreme', who post so regularly on the SD forums, the rest - being more passive - do not.

Yet, the greater the membership of TIBB becomes, then the greater the probability of at least some of those new members being pro-active, vociferous and even extreme in their views.

The difference between TIBB and the Muslim community is that on this forum WE hold no power and even our views are 'policed' for extremism or rule breaking by 'Moderators'.

Sadly, however, history teaches us that in the Muslim community it is the very fundamentalist minority themselves who control the silent peaceful majority.

I will not go into detail here but will do so in another post if challenged with the usual delusional dismissiveness, but it is a FACT that many Mosques and schools throughout the UK are preaching Jihad and hatred of 'Dirty Kuffar' non-Muslims - especially British whites.

It is a fact that many areas which are little more than Muslim enclaves are 'No Go' areas to indigenous white British.

It is a fact that Sharia Law is being OPENLY practised in many Towns and Cities within the UK and UK Law contemptuously ignored.

It is a fact that young Brtish Muslim males are attacking and insulting and intimidating British women on British streets who just happen to be wearing Western clothes and make-up.

It is a fact that even foreign tourists to the UK have been violently attacked by Muslims because they were walking along drinking from a can of beer on a hot Summer's day or some other innocent 'affront' to their Islamic code.

It is a fact that a cameraman filming a policeman talking with Islamic radicals who were recruiting was threatened ON FILM by Muslim males that he would "be killed" if he kept on filming. (The cowardly PC - probably intimidated by P.C. and a fear of being labelled 'Islamaphobic' - walked away. )

It is a fact that two elderly Christian Ministers were threatened with arrest by the British police because they were trying to hand out Christan pamphlets on a British street and were told: "This is a Muslim area and you are not allowed to do that in here" - and THIS from a British policeman.

The above are NOT isolated incidents but are occurring EVERY day somewhere in the UK.

The authorities; including Government, Councils AND police, are so intimidated by Political Correctness and a fear of being labelled 'Racist' and 'Islamaphobic' that they 'turn a blind eye' to these problems - which is why the Pakistani Muslim 'Child-Sex' grooming gangs were able to flourish with impunity for so long and in so many areas of the UK.

There is also the fact that a lot of our Councils, Education Boards, and other branches of the all-powerful decision-making, policy-drafting Civil service are already peppered with Muslims in positions of power.

British culture, British values and British traditions ARE already being eroded by Islamic Fundamentalists who have NO respect for their own people let alone the people of this country and I'm sorry, but it is you and every other like you who deny the truth about this who is a part of the problem.

Ridiculing members who try to illustrate this truth in their posts does not help.

Note to the Admin and Mods:

This is NOT an 'anti-Muslim' post, it is an anti-Muslim fundamentalist post - one which is merely responding to an erroneous post with provable fact and truth.

You could make a baby factory out of extremist muslim women and they still wouldn't become capable of 'taking over'.

The problem with your point of view is that you discount that all the non-extremist people in the UK are also having babies and growing out the majority. I said before but for an extremist islamic mindset to be prevalent enough to take hold, everyone that isn't a muslim would probably have to stop having babies for years, a less than one percent drop in birth rates from non muslims is not going to change a single thing.

The whole thing about Shariah Law is fake news as well. Shariah Law has not overtaken the law of the land ANYWHERE in the UK and it never will because there's still the vast majority of the country opposed to it and that majority will always be in place since extremism is a minority in the muslim communities, never mind in comparison to the majority of british people as a whole.

Your 'facts' are very much skewed and poisoned by opinion. Most women will tell you that, if they get abuse, it'll be from more than just muslims. Men treating women like **** is an issue that transcends race or religion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

so true

Yes it is for those accusing others. Dezzy always used to tell people to provide evidence for their comments until people started to telling him to do one and if he wanted proof he could go and find it. Now he is doing the same.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You could make a baby factory out of extremist muslim women and they still wouldn't become capable of 'taking over'.

The problem with your point of view is that you discount that all the non-extremist people in the UK are also having babies and growing out the majority. I said before but for an extremist islamic mindset to be prevalent enough to take hold, everyone that isn't a muslim would probably have to stop having babies for years, a less than one percent drop in birth rates from non muslims is not going to change a single thing.

The whole thing about Shariah Law is fake news as well. Shariah Law has not overtaken the law of the land ANYWHERE in the UK and it never will because there's still the vast majority of the country opposed to it and that majority will always be in place since extremism is a minority in the muslim communities, never mind in comparison to the majority of british people as a whole.

Your 'facts' are very much skewed and poisoned by opinion. Most women will tell you that, if they get abuse, it'll be from more than just muslims. Men treating women like **** is an issue that transcends race or religion.

Thank you for the response, Dezzy.

[Tom4784]

Plus Kirk, you're discounting the fact a lot of muslim people were raised in a western culture and current and future generations will only identify more with the freedoms they have in a western soceity. As I said to Oliver, chances are the minority of extremists will grow smaller with future generations, not bigger.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Hi Maru,

I am conflicted by the urge/need to rectify propaganda and erroneous posts and the long-held realisation that this place is as much an arena for 'debate' as the average town centre pub at 11 pm on a Saturday night.

I think I've had enough though for a few months.

I misread for a second there and thought you said you were conflicted while at the pub @ 11pm (believable time difference bc Im still waking up ), and that you had had enough beer for a few months....

[bots]

it's simple laws of physics that if you add to much of something too quickly, you upset the equilibrium, so in order to avoid that, you fit a valve or a tap, add a drainage point etc etc

The same is true of cultures. If you swamp a culture it will get eroded. The only way to avoid that is to discourage ghettos and control the rate of entry based on what maintains the equilibrium.

I don't see how that is difficult to grasp and it is in no way racist or prejudiced to insist on that method of controlling the equilibrium.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's simple laws of physics that if you add to much of something too quickly, you upset the equilibrium, so in order to avoid that, you fit a valve or a tap, add a drainage point etc etc

The same is true of cultures. If you swamp a culture it will get eroded. The only way to avoid that is to discourage ghettos and control the rate of entry based on what maintains the equilibrium.

I don't see how that is difficult to grasp and it is in no way racist or prejudiced to insist on that method of controlling the equilibrium.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's simple laws of physics that if you add to much of something too quickly, you upset the equilibrium, so in order to avoid that, you fit a valve or a tap, add a drainage point etc etc

The same is true of cultures. If you swamp a culture it will get eroded. The only way to avoid that is to discourage ghettos and control the rate of entry based on what maintains the equilibrium.

I don't see how that is difficult to grasp and it is in no way racist or prejudiced to insist on that method of controlling the equilibrium.

Very true.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's simple laws of physics that if you add to much of something too quickly, you upset the equilibrium, so in order to avoid that, you fit a valve or a tap, add a drainage point etc etc

The same is true of cultures. If you swamp a culture it will get eroded. The only way to avoid that is to discourage ghettos and control the rate of entry based on what maintains the equilibrium.

I don't see how that is difficult to grasp and it is in no way racist or prejudiced to insist on that method of controlling the equilibrium.

nailed it

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think he's right as well. The culture is just too different.

Yes i agree with you Donald is right on this.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's simple laws of physics that if you add to much of something too quickly, you upset the equilibrium, so in order to avoid that, you fit a valve or a tap, add a drainage point etc etc

The same is true of cultures. If you swamp a culture it will get eroded. The only way to avoid that is to discourage ghettos and control the rate of entry based on what maintains the equilibrium.

I don't see how that is difficult to grasp and it is in no way racist or prejudiced to insist on that method of controlling the equilibrium.

Absolutely spot on there.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's simple laws of physics that if you add to much of something too quickly, you upset the equilibrium, so in order to avoid that, you fit a valve or a tap, add a drainage point etc etc

The same is true of cultures. If you swamp a culture it will get eroded. The only way to avoid that is to discourage ghettos and control the rate of entry based on what maintains the equilibrium.

I don't see how that is difficult to grasp and it is in no way racist or prejudiced to insist on that method of controlling the equilibrium.

Yeah I had said something recently to this effect when I went to go reply to something in that order. I didn't post it because it got too long and I wasn't really "ready" to get my shoulder tapped to be pulled into any other surrounding discussions. I think people underestimate the sort of energy level that a person has to have in order to regularly participate in SD discussions that regularly branch off into multiple intense conversations...again, is another reason why I support a strict offtopic rule ... that is really unattractive for the casual user of this site, either because they don't have the energy or the time.. so we really are getting only skewed perspective in SD, we're not really seeing the casual player... we are only see posts from the most emotionally or intellectually invested of folk, usually... and that leads to a lot of conversations to appear to be more straight forward than they likely would be in the real world.

On topic to what you were saying... I grew up in a very old part of the city, and that is where the immigrant community has really moved in. First 18 years of my life I was not really "in touch" with the "white" culture as many so "colorfully" describe often... that's not really a thing where I came from.

Anyway, we used joke often about all our individual differences then and now. It's not stigmatized the way it is in other parts of the country... anyway, we all knocked our ghetto, but loved our community strangely enough. A lot of my peers have either moved out of the area or stubbornly stick to what they know... but it's not like they too didn't suffer from the same adverse effects of immigration. They had their own views.. it wasn't just a "white-ness" thing imo. Many of these people move to these areas for a better life.. and are also unhappy when they see negative conditions or the behaviors of a view usher in a speedy decline.

I think what you say about the speed of it is the gist of it for issues where space is limited. In Europe this is the case, but we also see this in older cities across the US. Houston is very young in comparison, but grew very rapidly and unchecked in recent decades, particularly in terms of sprawl... there is no geography in the way of that as it is flat as a pancake (short of the Gulf), and we suffer from chronic flooding now as a result of this constant ever-growing sprawl... it can take 1.5-2hrs (3 if counting rural areas) to get from one end of that sprawl to the other by highway (65mph~75mph)... so that's saying a lot.

Obviously being closer to the southern border, we get a higher intake of illegal immigrations. However, because of the ample space to grow... I feel like a lot of the mixed demographics can move around in a more liberated fashion, not only economically, but logistically in such a way that the cost of living is still relatively cheap, and even flood ins is cheap (thanks FEMA subdizing that policy).

Anyway, so we don't see these divisions play out here as they do in other parts of the US. For example, in CA and in the northeast, some of the most liberal parts of the country, there is a major income gap between lower and upper class... conversely, there's a much bigger chance the leaderships there are Democrat... that's not by coincidence imo. They are happy to take in as many folk into the welfare safety net unchecked... despite the fact this literally destroying those communities and causing not only civil unrest (particularly in Baltimore), but also putting in place gun control laws to try to stimmy that.. absolutely hasn't resolved gun crime.

So this emphasis on Conservatism in general just not wanting illegal immigration at all because of skin color, is false... there needs to be in essence, some form of crowd control. Keeping that in mind, racist folk in particular will always exist, and yes, they too engage in fear-mongering... but that's also coming from the left as well, "white flight", etc, all these racist terms... I think the same racial undertones can be found in a lot of the fear-mongering that is going on in our culture atm...

In Houston, obviously we have the ability to carry and access means to self-protection... which means an underpaid and undermanned police force is not going to present the issues it does in other areas... doesn't mean we don't have crime, but we don't feel we are under siege like other parts of the US, primarily because of the culture of self-protection. Besides, if an area is bad, it's very easy to pick up and to move out in comparison... given that cost of living is not really an issue here. Adding in those geographical benefits and unchecked sprawl, currently, we're not experiencing the issues that are rampant across the rest of the country...

My neighbors are first/second/third generation Americans from Mexico/South America. They have the same exact anxieties we all do about the liberal policies that are destroying our historic cities. In fact, one of my neighbors to my surprise who are first generation voted Trump... and we were still literally on the fence... like no joke, we were rebuilding the fence between our properties while we had this conversation. It was just before the vote, so it was a little bit ironic for us all.

Overall in talking to citizens here and away from the viral internet, I get the sense we all just want common sense policies and to be able to establish ourselves within our communities and live in a culture that makes sense for each of us... anyway, so I don't think that Trump is wrong to point out that some people are feeling under-represented by policies that have prevailed and allowed for a ransacking of their communities... citizens in foreign countries often have a problem with allowing white folk coming in in droves and watering down their culture, interfering with their way of life... so I don't think this is a unique aspect to Trump-ism.

[Scarlett.]

I don't know what dream world people live in these days, but British culture is most certainly not under threat.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah I had said something recently to this effect when I went to go reply to something in that order. I didn't post it because it got too long and I wasn't really "ready" to get my shoulder tapped to be pulled into any other surrounding discussions. I think people underestimate the sort of energy level that a person has to have in order to regularly participate in SD discussions that regularly branch off into multiple intense conversations...again, is another reason why I support a strict offtopic rule ... that is really unattractive for the casual user of this site, either because they don't have the energy or the time.. so we really are getting only skewed perspective in SD, we're not really seeing the casual player... we are only see posts from the most emotionally or intellectually invested of folk, usually... and that leads to a lot of conversations to appear to be more straight forward than they likely would be in the real world.

On topic to what you were saying... I grew up in a very old part of the city, and that is where the immigrant community has really moved in. First 18 years of my life I was not really "in touch" with the "white" culture as many so "colorfully" describe often... that's not really a thing where I came from.

Anyway, we used joke often about all our individual differences then and now. It's not stigmatized the way it is in other parts of the country... anyway, we all knocked our ghetto, but loved our community strangely enough. A lot of my peers have either moved out of the area or stubbornly stick to what they know... but it's not like they too didn't suffer from the same adverse effects of immigration. They had their own views.. it wasn't just a "white-ness" thing imo. Many of these people move to these areas for a better life.. and are also unhappy when they see negative conditions or the behaviors of a view usher in a speedy decline.

I think what you say about the speed of it is the gist of it for issues where space is limited. In Europe this is the case, but we also see this in older cities across the US. Houston is very young in comparison, but grew very rapidly and unchecked in recent decades, particularly in terms of sprawl... there is no geography in the way of that as it is flat as a pancake (short of the Gulf), and we suffer from chronic flooding now as a result of this constant ever-growing sprawl... it can take 1.5-2hrs (3 if counting rural areas) to get from one end of that sprawl to the other by highway (65mph~75mph)... so that's saying a lot.

Obviously being closer to the southern border, we get a higher intake of illegal immigrations. However, because of the ample space to grow... I feel like a lot of the mixed demographics can move around in a more liberated fashion, not only economically, but logistically in such a way that the cost of living is still relatively cheap, and even flood ins is cheap (thanks FEMA subdizing that policy).

Anyway, so we don't see these divisions play out here as they do in other parts of the US. For example, in CA and in the northeast, some of the most liberal parts of the country, there is a major income gap between lower and upper class... conversely, there's a much bigger chance the leaderships there are Democrat... that's not by coincidence imo. They are happy to take in as many folk into the welfare safety net unchecked... despite the fact this literally destroying those communities and causing not only civil unrest (particularly in Baltimore), but also putting in place gun control laws to try to stimmy that.. absolutely hasn't resolved gun crime.

So this emphasis on Conservatism in general just not wanting illegal immigration at all because of skin color, is false... there needs to be in essence, some form of crowd control. Keeping that in mind, racist folk in particular will always exist, and yes, they too engage in fear-mongering... but that's also coming from the left as well, "white flight", etc, all these racist terms... I think the same racial undertones can be found in a lot of the fear-mongering that is going on in our culture atm...

In Houston, obviously we have the ability to carry and access means to self-protection... which means an underpaid and undermanned police force is not going to present the issues it does in other areas... doesn't mean we don't have crime, but we don't feel we are under siege like other parts of the US, primarily because of the culture of self-protection. Besides, if an area is bad, it's very easy to pick up and to move out in comparison... given that cost of living is not really an issue here. Adding in those geographical benefits and unchecked sprawl, currently, we're not experiencing the issues that are rampant across the rest of the country...

My neighbors are first/second/third generation Americans from Mexico/South America. They have the same exact anxieties we all do about the liberal policies that are destroying our historic cities. In fact, one of my neighbors to my surprise who are first generation voted Trump... and we were still literally on the fence... like no joke, we were rebuilding the fence between our properties while we had this conversation. It was just before the vote, so it was a little bit ironic for us all.

Overall in talking to citizens here and away from the viral internet, I get the sense we all just want common sense policies and to be able to establish ourselves within our communities and live in a culture that makes sense for each of us... anyway, so I don't think that Trump is wrong to point out that some people are feeling under-represented by policies that have prevailed and allowed for a ransacking of their communities... citizens in foreign countries often have a problem with allowing white folk coming in in droves and watering down their culture, interfering with their way of life... so I don't think this is a unique aspect to Trump-ism.

Oh we got around that.. We just killed them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh we got around that.. We just killed them.

"We"? I've never killed anyone. I guess if we're a collective, I've been on the Moon!

[Cherie]

Kizzy and her family have gone abroad on a killing spree

[GoldHeart]

What about all the innocent immigrants escaping war zones and serious poverty .
They're NOT all criminals ,I know Trump would like to brainwash people into thinking they are .

Its funny how every time he's called out then it's "fake news" , but it's OK for him to talk so much BS