[user104658]

Hmmm. Scotland isn't losing its culture... N.Ireland isn't losing its culture... if England is losing it's culture, frankly it's because England never had a particularly strong cultural heritage in the first place.

Or rather, it did, but it was rooted in the British Empire, the end of which had nowt to do with immigration (other than the fact that it left half the world dirt poor and keen to migrate).

Now before the bleating starts; I know that Scotland played a large role in the British Empire. But Scotland also has a strong cultural identity and history aside from that that England just doesn't have. There are some strong regional identities but those aren't really the same thing.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What about all the innocent immigrants escaping war zones and serious poverty .
They're NOT all criminals ,I know Trump would like to brainwash people into thinking they are .

Its funny how every time he's called out then it's "fake news" , but it's OK for him to talk so much BS

The existence of innocent migrants doesn't magically make us have unlimited space and unlimited resources. At a certain point, it's not Europe's problem.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The existence of innocent migrants doesn't magically make us have unlimited space and unlimited resources. At a certain point, it's not Europe's problem.

I never said that

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What about all the innocent immigrants escaping war zones and serious poverty .
They're NOT all criminals ,I know Trump would like to brainwash people into thinking they are .

Its funny how every time he's called out then it's "fake news" , but it's OK for him to talk so much BS

Our small island is not responsible for people from halfway across the world who have jumped on boats and tried to force their way into our country. We have to think if our own people first. Such a huge influx of people from those countries iimpacts negatively on Britain. Criminals or not they are NOT our responsibility.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I never said that

But you want us to just let them all in anyway. Newsflash - others live here too who have a right to disagree.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmmm. Scotland isn't losing its culture... N.Ireland isn't losing its culture... if England is losing it's culture, frankly it's because England never had a particularly strong cultural heritage in the first place.

Or rather, it did, but it was rooted in the British Empire, the end of which had nowt to do with immigration (other than the fact that it left half the world dirt poor and keen to migrate).

Now before the bleating starts; I know that Scotland played a large role in the British Empire. But Scotland also has a strong cultural identity and history aside from that that England just doesn't have. There are some strong regional identities but those aren't really the same thing.

Haggis, tartan kilts, bag-pipes and lots of rain - sounds like a strong culture you have there. You must tell us all where we are going so wrong.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmmm. Scotland isn't losing its culture... N.Ireland isn't losing its culture... if England is losing it's culture, frankly it's because England never had a particularly strong cultural heritage in the first place.

Or rather, it did, but it was rooted in the British Empire, the end of which had nowt to do with immigration (other than the fact that it left half the world dirt poor and keen to migrate).

Now before the bleating starts; I know that Scotland played a large role in the British Empire. But Scotland also has a strong cultural identity and history aside from that that England just doesn't have. There are some strong regional identities but those aren't really the same thing.

....hmmmm it is hard to fathom what the British culture is that we’re apparently losing...is it fish and chip suppers on a Friday night..?...but we haven’t lost that, we can still have fish and chips if we want to and if we’re lucky enough to be able to afford it because that culture comes with a very high price tag...is British culture going to the cinema and watching a movie with our families..?...but we haven’t lost that either, we can still do that but again...only if it’s affordable to us...but migrants haven’t been responsible for the high cost of things...is it going going out for a family picnic, is that what the culture that is so British...having a pub lunch on a Sunday....?...I’m just kind of wondering which boxes of ‘ ritish culture’ are not being ticked because of the ‘harm’ of migrants...it’s not an easy one to find the answers for...maybe it’s because the migrants took all of our NHS away...no it can’t be that because the governments through time have caused that to happen by not keeping investment in line with growing population...or maybe that was just impossible to do...?...maybe it’s because the migrants took our benefits..no again, it can’t be that because it’s goverment purse strings that is the main factor there...the pesky governments, not the pesky migrants...anyway I’ll carry on giving thought to what it is the migrants have harmed with the apparent loss of our culture...and when I get that eureka moment...I’ll be on those darn migrants, how very dare they cos I’m not having it, TS.....(...help me though in finding out where the harm came, TS ...because I’m struggling a bit on my own...)...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmmm it is hard to fathom what the British culture is that we’re apparently losing...is it fish and chip suppers on a Friday night..?...but we haven’t lost that, we can still have fish and chips if we want to and if we’re lucky enough to be able to afford it because that culture comes with a very high price tag...is British culture going to the cinema and watching a movie with our families..?...but we haven’t lost that either, we can still do that but again...only if it’s affordable to us...but migrants haven’t been responsible for the high cost of things...is it going going out for a family picnic, is that what the culture that is so British...having a pub lunch on a Sunday....?...I’m just kind of wondering which boxes of ‘ ritish culture’ are not being ticked because of the ‘harm’ of migrants...it’s not an easy one to find the answers for...maybe it’s because the migrants took all of our NHS away...no it can’t be that because the governments through time have caused that to happen by not keeping investment in line with growing population...or maybe that was just impossible to do...?...maybe it’s because the migrants took our benefits..no again, it can’t be that because it’s goverment purse strings that is the main factor there...the pesky governments, not the pesky migrants...anyway I’ll carry on giving thought to what it is the migrants have harmed with the apparent loss of our culture...and when I get that eureka moment...I’ll be on those darn migrants, how very dare they cos I’m not having it, TS.....(...help me though in finding out where the harm came, TS ...because I’m struggling a bit on my own...)...

Introducing large numbers from misogynistic cultures to The West is detrimental to women in the West no matter what some people say. We have seen many examples of that already with some men and women trying to tell British women what to wear and to cover up.

Some insist that our more forward thinking way of life will rub off on people from these cultures with time rather than the other way round but if the demographics of cultures in this country change significantly that is unlikely to be the case. Religious ideology runs deep and the optimism of some that once people experience more freedoms their views will change is more optimistic than realistic.

Personally I find it quite offensive when those defending mass immigration attack and insult British culture and use it as a reason why we shouldn’t care about things such as culture as ours apparently is so invisible and unimportant we wouldn’t be losing anything of any value anyway - another big fat straw man. Many, many Brits love their culture and way of life and won’t just hand over the reigns to suit the agendas of others.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But you want us to just let them all in anyway. Newsflash - others live here too who have a right to disagree.

ERM NO ! that's not what i said either , obviously there needs to be control of it and security and criminal checks and the right system in place . But there's people who think all immigrants are bad people which is WRONG .

And there's some who are harmless who just come over to the UK and they work hard , not all of them are lazy or illegally here with criminal dodgy pasts with the intent to do more damage.

[Cherie]

Personally I don't think it is a loss of culture so much as a loss of diversity and communities, when I moved to the area I live in 20 years ago there as a great mix of people, of all nationalities and creeds, now it is more or less an Asian area, and where my sons went to school they were spot the white on their class photos it doesn't bother me as I wasn't born here but I can understand that people who were born and bred in an area like this and have had family homes for generations are gradually they have become a minority in the area of their birth, the other issue is even the second and third generation Indian/Pakastanis speak their own language to each other, not English. My neighbours are all very nice but there is a barrier and a point beyond which I would never be taken into their circle, that is my experience anyway.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Introducing large numbers from misogynistic cultures to The West is detrimental to women in the West no matter what some people say. We have seen many examples of that already with some men and women trying to tell British women what to wear and to cover up.

Some insist that our more forward thinking way of life will rub off on people from these cultures with time rather than the other way round but if the demographics of cultures in this country change significantly that is unlikely to be the case. Religious ideology runs deep and the optimism of some that once people experience more freedoms their views will change is more optimistic than realistic.

Personally I find it quite offensive when those defending mass immigration attack and insult British culture and use it as a reason why we shouldn’t care about things such as culture as ours apparently is so invisible and unimportant we wouldn’t be losing anything of any value anyway - another big fat straw man. Many, many Brits love their culture and way of life and won’t just hand over the reigns to suit the agendas of others.

...people try to tell me stuff all of the time, Brillo..they can tell all they want really but if something doesn’t feel right to me, if it doesn’t represent me or if it isn’t true to who I am...I just tend to take no notice ...I’ll listen but I won’t necessarily act though, isn’t that the way for most people in this country...because we’re fortunate enough to have choices that not all countries have, sadly...and again, I’m just trying to work out what the British culture is that immigrants are harming, which I’m struggling with...I think ‘caring’ is a huge part of our culture, as it is for many more fortunate countries...and that’s something I definitely don’t want any other culture to take away...I don’t want to say no, don’t come here with your culture...you all have to go back to your own lane and stay there...and then feel heartbroken at the things that happen in ‘that lane’...when we see all of those atrocities on our TV screens...I don’t want to feel that some people didn’t have to go through that or struggle in the lives they have in their country’s opportunities...and I just closed the door on them and said....no, not in my backyard, so long as some awful things don’t happen here, i’m much more comfortable with that.... mixing cultures of good and not so good values...(..rather than isolating off into ‘own lanes’..)...will always create the better world balance of these things for me, Brillo...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ERM NO ! that's not what i said either , obviously there needs to be control of it and security and criminal checks and the right system in place . But there's people who think all immigrants are bad people which is WRONG .

And there's some who are harmless who just come over to the UK and they work hard , not all of them are lazy or illegally here with criminal dodgy pasts with the intent to do more damage.

I don’t think anyone said they are all lazy - but our countries duty is to protect its citizens first and foremost. British citizens should be the first priority. People who come in should be vetted and have something to offer to the country.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Personally I don't think it is a loss of culture so much as a loss of diversity and communities, when I moved to the area I live in 20 years ago there as a great mix of people, of all nationalities and creeds, now it is more or less an Asian area, and where my sons went to school they were spot the white on their class photos it doesn't bother me as I wasn't born here but I can understand that people who were born and bred in an area like this and have had family homes for generations are gradually they have become a minority in the area of their birth, the other issue is even the second and third generation Indian/Pakastanis speak their own language to each other, not English. My neighbours are all very nice but there is a barrier and a point beyond which I would never be taken into their circle, that is my experience anyway.

Indeed Cherie, some of them don't even speak English.

[Northern Monkey]

Immigration is a good thing,Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.


Take what we need.Everything in moderation

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Immigration is a good thing,Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.


Take what we need.Everything in moderation

Summed up in one sentence NM.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Immigration is a good thing,Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.


Take what we need.Everything in moderation

[Ammi]

...even second/third generations etc...still have family connections in their country of birth...so speaking and understanding their own country language is very important...English is something they will understand and speak as well and probably as a first language as the generations go on...but using their country language within the family etc is also important...it’s keeping who someone is through their ancestry and family connections...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...even second/third generations etc...still have family connections in their country of birth...so speaking and understanding their own country language is very important...English is something they will understand and speak as well and probably as a first language as the generations go on...but using their country language within the family etc is also important...it’s keeping who someone is through their ancestry and family connections...

The power of culture - something we all cherish including us boring Brits!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...even second/third generations etc...still have family connections in their country of birth...so speaking and understanding their own country language is very important...English is something they will understand and speak as well and probably as a first language as the generations go on...but using their country language within the family etc is also important...it’s keeping who someone is through their ancestry and family connections...

No problem with people knowing the language of birth and speaking it to family members who can't speak English or between themselves if no one else is present, I never said that Ammi, but when you are in a staff room with other people of different nationalities, and you were born in Engand and are speaking to a person born in England in a different language that is just down right rude imo, they know it as well because they apologise afterwards, but why do it all all when you are in the company of other people who cannot understand what you are saying, and it happened regularly, and it didn't just happen to me either, I am no longer at the school and am still friends with them but they used to piss me off doing that. What happens now is that all the Asian staff take their break in a classroom and stay away from the staffroom, these are all English born teaching assistants, so where is the integration there, that is not what multiculturalism is about. We had quite a few Spanish staff they never spoke their own language in company. Go to Spain and you will find the Spanish have the same gripe about the English, living in their expat communities and not bothering to learn the language or associate.

[bots]

Just to add some other things in to the mix. Control of immigration doesnt need to be some big nasty thing. It could mean that nearly everyone that wants to come in is allowed, its just a mechanism to make sure that everything still runs smoothly.

From a political stand point .... it's also perfectly feasible for 1 government to open the flood gates as it were and another to close them. The point being that in the EU as it stands, we as a sovereign nation are not allowed that level of control, whether we need it or not. That is the fundamental issue.


With regard to integration. Where I grew up in Scotland, we have had loads of immigrants from poland, pakistan and china. While they have still managed to retain some of their cultural identity, my experience is that the majority are now proud to be scottish too. In England, that has not been my experience so much. So what has caused that. Is it an unwillingness to integrate or less than welcoming country willing to accept immigrants. My feeling is that it's a bit of both

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Just to add some other things in to the mix. Control of immigration doesnt need to be some big nasty thing. It could mean that nearly everyone that wants to come in is allowed, its just a mechanism to make sure that everything still runs smoothly.

From a political stand point .... it's also perfectly feasible for 1 government to open the flood gates as it were and another to close them. The point being that in the EU as it stands, we as a sovereign nation are not allowed that level of control, whether we need it or not. That is the fundamental issue.


With regard to integration. Where I grew up in Scotland, we have had loads of immigrants from poland, pakistan and china. While they have still managed to retain some of their cultural identity, my experience is that the majority are now proud to be scottish too. In England, that has not been my experience so much. So what has caused that. Is it an unwillingness to integrate or less than welcoming country willing to accept immigrants. My feeling is that it's a bit of both

Maybe that’s because England is more over-crowded than Scotland - just a thought!

[armand.kay]

Isn't immigration from outside of the EU controlled anyway?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Isn't immigration from outside of the EU controlled anyway?

It is but more often than not English born men will return to India or wherever and bring back a bride! or the girls will be married off and on they come as well. We had a family at the school the boy was profound special needs and no way should he have been married as his mental age was about 8 or 9 but he is now married to a lady who works as an escort on the special needs bus, and his wife is here legally

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Immigration is a good thing,Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.


Take what we need.Everything in moderation

There's not much more to say. Out culture is being slowly erased. And if you don't believe that, it hasn't impacted on you yet. But it will.

[Tom4784]

You can't erase culture. It's complete hysteria to think it can be or that it is.

It seems to literally come down to 'There are more brown faces around and I feel threatened by that.'