[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Actually Tomasz has given him some very good advice about relationships etc

ok

[Jase.]

Nah

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

ok

glad you agree

[ConnorTheJudge]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yes it is a healthier relationship as well

Cameron always seems uncomfortable around sex talk. I think he has more common and feels more comfortable around Lewis. He also gets Cameron sense of humour a lot better than the others.

[saiwong]

I've always got this perception that Lewis F was grooming Cameron.

However, now the groomed child has parted from the groomer and he is mad.

Lewis F has spent so much time brain-washing people so he gets the Big Brother experience he demands. Lewis F acts like a cult leader.

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I got Lewis's point.
He was highlighting that Cameron had struggled with coming out.
Now that he had, that being possibly the hardest thing for Cameron to talk about.
If Cameron had other issues now, preying on his mind, to just now say all he wants.

Don't bottle things up, after coming out, now moving forward not going backwards.

Okay, that may come across as something Lewis needs to take on board too.
Often however, a person cannot advise or stick up for themselves, while at the same time being of great help to others.

All this nonsense of them getting at each other or not the strong friends they
still are, is now tiresome frankly.

Ah yes couldnt think first of all what was meant. Lewis obviously wanted C to still come to him if he is in trouble with his feelings. Cameron is more settled now though, more confident and not so moany as he was. Lewis has realised this especially as he knows that Brooke is still his friend. It will be interesting to see what happens if Akeem goes. Will Cameron be jealous of their friendship, I dont think so tbh it is to near the end and they will all, if they are sensible, be watching out for their own imperfections, mmmm or may be not lol...

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by saiwong

I've always got this perception that Lewis F was grooming Cameron.

However, now the groomed child has parted from the groomer and he is mad.

Lewis F has spent so much time brain-washing people so he gets the Big Brother experience he demands. Lewis F acts like a cult leader.

What would he be grooming him for, if you are talking about meditation and yoga, these are two things which help people on their way to a better understanding. The trouble is though, it sometimes brings about the self annaylisis which Lewis is putting himself through. A great part of him wants to be a leader and to help but his frustrations and self paranoia get in the way, this is why he walks away to be on his own. He knows he isnt good enough to take that control.

The only self grooming I would say for Cameron, is his friendship with Tomasz, trying to bring him out more before he is ready. Cian in all his jealousy with Lewis, trying to also control and then there is Akeem, bowing down to Tomasz the sexual buddah, come on Cameron say "Daddy"... yuck give the boy a chance to get out in the real world.

[saiwong]

Originally Posted by Jules82

What would he be grooming him for,

Lewis F wants to "control" Cameron and needs him to do as he says and follow him obediently.

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by saiwong

Lewis F wants to "control" Cameron and needs him to do as he says and follow him obediently.

Definitely not, he knows it wouldnt be in his own interest with the public if he did. He has made friendships with some of them in there, you do Cameron an injustice as he isnt a puppy dog. C has been just as volatile as the rest, possbily more so than some. He sought Lewis out for friendship in the beginning along with Tomasz. The others, because he is the youngest have treated him as a child but he is far more wary than most.

[saiwong]

Originally Posted by Jules82

Definitely not, he knows it wouldnt be in his own interest with the public if he did. He has made friendships with some of them in there, you do Cameron an injustice as he isnt a puppy dog. C has been just as volatile as the rest, possbily more so than some. He sought Lewis out for friendship in the beginning along with Tomasz. The others, because he is the youngest have treated him as a child but he is far more wary than most.

Sorry, we have to agree to disagree on this one.

I still see Lewis F/Cameron in a controlling relationship. Yes, both might want a friendship, but some friendships can turn out with one partner controlling the other. I see this in Lewis F/Cameron

[jaxie]

I think it is incredibly manipulative and guilting of Lewis to keep bringing it up and bringing up Cameron spending time with Akeem. Some of it is done is a joking way but there is definitely an undercurrent to it.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by saiwong

Lewis F wants to "control" Cameron and needs him to do as he says and follow him obediently.

I agree with this. I suspect that is how most of Lewis relationships pay out, hence him being single.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by saiwong

Lewis F wants to "control" Cameron and needs him to do as he says and follow him obediently.

I just can't

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I agree with this. I suspect that is how most of Lewis relationships pay out, hence him being single.

There could be lots of reasons he is single.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

There could be lots of reasons he is single.

He's waiting for me

[Cal.]

Lewis is like one of those girl friends the gays get that think they OWN their gay friend

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Lewis is like one of those girl friends the gays get that think they OWN their gay friend

[tanussa]

its all tongue in cheek from the cheeky chappie. hes a joker

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Actually Tomasz has given him some very good advice about relationships etc

[poppsywoppsy]

I think Lewis said it himself, he was quite hurt that Cameron is not his mate as much as he was previously.

Cameron seems quite different lately, I think Lewis is missing his companionship, reminding him of the time the relationship was at its best, was hinting that is how he wishes it was now.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Lewis and Cameron are indeed like an old married couple. They fight, then they laugh together

[Tom4784]

Emotionally manipulative with shades of abuse tbh, makes me wonder that, if this show was still high profile, there might be a few girlfriends with some stories to tell about him.

[tanussa]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Emotionally manipulative with shades of abuse tbh, makes me wonder that, if this show was still high profile, there might be a few girlfriends with some stories to tell about him.

thats an insult to those who have actually been abused.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Emotionally manipulative with shades of abuse tbh, makes me wonder that, if this show was still high profile, there might be a few girlfriends with some stories to tell about him.

They have been in there for some weeks now and no one has emerged with kiss and tell.

The only thing I have read about Lewis is that in the romance stakes he is sorted.

He has snuggled with a few women but BB has failed to catch if there was any under cover work going on there.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I think Lewis said it himself, he was quite hurt that Cameron is not his mate as much as he was previously.

Cameron seems quite different lately, I think Lewis is missing his companionship, reminding him of the time the relationship was at its best, was hinting that is how he wishes it was now.

Yes he was clearly joking,but we must spin it that big bad Lewis was being serious.