[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

Who here’s condoning practices like that?

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

And I just wonder why you aren’t taking this up with the other people on the thread who support the bus driver and not the kid.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

And I just wonder why you aren’t taking this up with the other people on the thread who support the bus driver and not the kid.

I didn't quote you pal, you took it up all on your own.

[Redway]

Okay.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

Okay.

I will outright ask you why, after being hit as punishment as a kid. You would then go on to hit your own kid if you ever likely to have one!

Its like racists in a way, being allowed to get away with racism cause their parents were.

I'm wondering which scenario effects the victim the most.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I will outright ask you why, after being hit as punishment as a kid. You would then go on to hit your own kid if you ever likely to have one!

Its like racists in a way, being allowed to get away with racism cause their parents were.

I'm wondering which scenario effects the victim the most.

Should we be OK with a stranger doing so? A stranger or several strangers might, depending on the context and the situation. I never understood having a problem with corporal but then allowing other individuals the stance to assault other individuals on the basis of character assessments alone, at any age. We can't have it both ways. Violence is violence.

My point is not meant to detract from your point, parm. You ask a very pertinent question and I think that's a question many new parents ask themselves. These practices were in our culture because there didn't used to be this sort of nanny culture. Well, we went through a period of nanny culture that was quite bad actually, where neighbor's would turn their head despite the neighborhood problem child getting his *** beat by his father down the street for practically no reason. So yes, unchecked authority is bad. On the other hand, now, police are called, HOAs (Home Owner's Associations) record violations for the littest of things like leaving toddler toys out in the grass (God forbid kids be kids), and now society is nudging govt to that level as well...

...but why do you think the practice was introduced? I think people tend to think it is specifically for the purpose of facilitating authority, but I think my biggest take-away from having been spanked as a child was that the world does not revolve around me and my every thought.

The bus driver tried to handle it "the old fashioned" way... in my old neighborhood, this was "the line" and we thought twice about crossing it. Calling the police was something that the local public nuisance/nanny state did.

Consider that line a thinking a little bit. It was thought a lesser person not only wants, but demands, third parties to come in and resolve their differences. Before the era of internet and cell phones, the third party was about as far away as it took you to run home (if you could get away) to call for help on your landline or to a family member. So differences had to be resolved often without third party input. The worst alternative is that we are found in an alleyway with the wrong person (who we misspoke to)... or... that kid is found later hanging out with the wrong crowd bullying/targetting overs... humans by nature have little bullies instilled in them, and while spanking is certainly not a benign action, it helped facilitate a lesson in the concept of personal power and there being forces beyond our limitations.... that also taught that life itself was also not benign, in fact, there were often difficult aspects and malignant aspects of human-nature that do not consider our well-being or have our best interest... a child today has more options at their disposal (call fam for help or record any wrong-doing for evidence later), but a child of those days didn't have a family or protective structure following them everywhere they went...

Now that things have changed with technology and nanny-style "community policing", those lessons are a little bit more complicated than they used to be. Yes, we shouldn't subject ourselves to a problematic situation or purposefully push someone's buttons who may do harm to us... but on the other hand, if that person is able to get it on camera, they may have a juicy lawsuit on their hands. Even better if those recorded are well-known in any way shape or form, then they can sell that footage/imagery to TMZ/CNN and reap interview $$$$$. Very complicated now There are incentives to cause trouble where before that really could have damaged our reputation with our local folk and may have still resulted in immediate arrest anyway. Sometimes fines... something our prior generations maybe could not have afforded.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

I don't think it's fair to say Black people think it's ok to do that, I'm sure there are many many black people who don't think it's ok. But it surely is a cultural practise which is why I was saying earlier it should be ok to challenge cultural practises that are cruel and unnecessary. Equally a lot of white people also think it's ok to use hitting as a discipline, it's not a black/white thing

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think it's fair to say Black people think it's ok to do that, I'm sure there are many many black people who don't think it's ok. But it surely is a cultural practise which is why I was saying earlier it should be ok to challenge cultural practises that are cruel and unnecessary. Equally a lot of white people also think it's ok to use hitting as a discipline, it's not a black/white thing

After looking at the demographic of countries practicing female circumcision, and the numbers who have suffered from it. I think it would be unfair to say anything other than black people are ok with it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

After looking at the demographic of countries practicing female circumcision, and the numbers who have suffered from it. I think it would be unfair to say anything other than black people are ok with it.

I think that would be a huge generalisation there parm, there are only very small pockets of "civilisation" that support FGM.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think that would be a huge generalisation there parm, there are only very small pockets of "civilisation" that support FGM.

I'd never even heard of it until I first came to SD.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

I'd never even heard of it until I first came to SD.

You never heard of FGM until you came on TIBB? Really?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You never heard of FGM until you came on TIBB? Really?

Nope. It's not a topic of conversation here and definitely not in the news. Maybe now I hear about it now that I listen more to partisan media, but even then it's still very rare to hear about it...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think that would be a huge generalisation there parm, there are only very small pockets of "civilisation" that support FGM.

An estimated 200 million women and girls alive today have had it, and there will be another 3 million each year who have to suffer from it, im assuming they will all be black girls.


I think that proves that black people support it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

After looking at the demographic of countries practicing female circumcision, and the numbers who have suffered from it. I think it would be unfair to say anything other than black people are ok with it.

Why? Because "black people" all hail from and represent the same countries?

It's as ridiculous a comment as "white people believe...".