[Beastie]

She will also be our first black winner of the jungle. Regardless I like her!

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Beastie

She will also be our first black winner of the jungle. Regardless I like her!

I absolutely hate that expression.

'First black...'

It's so patronising and backward.

Can't people see her as just a winner.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I absolutely hate that expression.

'First black...'

It's so patronising and backward.

Can't people see her as just a winner.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I absolutely hate that expression.

'First black...'

It's so patronising and backward.

Can't people see her as just a winner.

you think that is backwards?

a mess

[montblanc]

we LOVE fleur!

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I absolutely hate that expression.

'First black...'

It's so patronising and backward.

Can't people see her as just a winner.

It’s not backwards because a black person hasn’t won yet, we’re just pointing out that she will be if she wins. The term “backward” also suggests that racism is over

@Chuff For your age you should know better than to co-sign. Black people being the first to win things is an accomplishment because of the history we have, it’s by no means patronising and I’m 100% sure Fleur will agree

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Germyle

It’s not backwards because a black person hasn’t won yet, we’re just pointing out that she will be if she wins. The term “backward” also suggests that racism is over

@Chuff For your age you should know better than to co-sign. Black people being the first to win things is an accomplishment because of the history we have, it’s by no means patronising and I’m 100% sure Fleur will agree

Keep me out of it .... I agreed that Im sick to the bloody molars of it all, its boring now ........ If Anne won would it be a win for a quiz master ? Harry an ex football manager ? Nick a DIY expert ?STOP bring race into EVERYTHING, theres truly no need

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Keep me out of it .... I agreed that Im sick to the bloody molars of it all, its boring now ........ If Anne won would it be a win for a quiz master ? Harry an ex football manager ? Nick a DIY expert ?STOP bring race into EVERYTHING, theres truly no need

No because profession and race is completely different, and I didn’t drag you into anything, you wanted to stick your uneducated nose into an issue you knew I would check you on

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Germyle

It’s not backwards because a black person hasn’t won yet, we’re just pointing out that she will be if she wins. The term “backward” also suggests that racism is over

This take that 'backwards' energy to your race mates who are burning grenfell tower effigies.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Germyle

It’s not backwards because a black person hasn’t won yet, we’re just pointing out that she will be if she wins. The term “backward” also suggests that racism is over

@Chuff For your age you should know better than to co-sign. Black people being the first to win things is an accomplishment because of the history we have, it’s by no means patronising and I’m 100% sure Fleur will agree

Yeah I'm sure "the first female" to win was a thing too since the first two winners were men

[Moniqua]

Originally Posted by Germyle

It’s not backwards because a black person hasn’t won yet, we’re just pointing out that she will be if she wins. The term “backward” also suggests that racism is over

@Chuff For your age you should know better than to co-sign. Black people being the first to win things is an accomplishment because of the history we have, it’s by no means patronising and I’m 100% sure Fleur will agree

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I absolutely hate that expression.

'First black...'

It's so patronising and backward.

Can't people see her as just a winner.

If you don't take this 'I don't see colour' mess somewhere else

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I absolutely hate that expression.

'First black...'

It's so patronising and backward.

Can't people see her as just a winner.

Well, if someone is the first black winner, they're the first black winner. It's just a fact.

Same as Kate Lawler became the first female winner of Big Brother.

People tend to take offence whenever ethnicity is mentioned.

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't watch X Factor so judging her on this only, Im not a massive fan ,she spends too much time in the cabin talking to the cameras and I found her OTT laughing over a fart last night very staged

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I don't watch X Factor so judging her on this only, Im not a massive fan ,she spends too much time in the cabin talking to the cameras and I found her OTT laughing over a fart last night very staged

I agree Chuff...it was funny but not THAT funny..
I don't dislike her...but I just don't think Im going to. Early days though.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I agree Chuff...it was funny but not THAT funny..
I don't dislike her...but I just don't think Im going to. Early days though.

She made a meal of camera time over a fart ?

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I don't watch X Factor so judging her on this only, Im not a massive fan ,she spends too much time in the cabin talking to the cameras and I found her OTT laughing over a fart last night very staged

She wasn't even the only one laughing but let's pretend she wasn't so she can get scapegoated for having a sense of humour

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

She wasn't even the only one laughing but let's pretend she wasn't so she can get scapegoated for having a sense of humour

Don't worry about it Blurry , non of this surprises me atall .

John is the most theatrical person in the jungle yet get's away with it as he's apparently "funny" .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Don't worry about it Blurry , non of this surprises me atall .

: .

Why do you get over defensive??... It was funny...but she overreacted unlike the other person she was with..it's just an opinion.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why do you get over defensive??... It was funny...but she overreacted unlike the other person she was with..it's just an opinion.

I'm pretty sure i was responding to something Blurry said but fine jump on it .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm pretty sure i was responding to something Blurry said but fine jump on it .

It's an open forum...pm if you want your response private.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

too much time in the cabin talking to the cameras

They all tend to go into the cabin and are asked to go into detail about a task/events in the camp that day. The producers then edit these snippets from the cabin throughout the episode as an almost running commentary on that days events. Really not Fleur's fault how hers are used.

Even then, I'd counter what you said with the fact she hasn't appeared anymore than anyone else.