[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm not trying to normalise it, how could I possibly normalise it? when I'm saying it already is normal. You can try and change human behavior until your dying day, but it won't happen.This isn't the first school fight caught on camera and it won't be the last.

Right, now back to your turn to tell me what I really mean even though I haven't said what you say I mean.

Says it all really.....

Also, you keep trying to make out that it was a fight, meaning that both sides are willing participants but that is bull****, it was a one sided attack and the latest in a seemingly long line of bullying incidents that the victim and his sister have suffered. How the **** could you ever describe that as a fight when one side is doing nothing to defend themselves?

I wonder if you would be saying the same if the roles of these two were reversed.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Says it all really.....

Also, you keep trying to make out that it was a fight, meaning that both sides are willing participants but that is bull****, it was a one sided attack and the latest in a seemingly long line of bullying incidents that the victim and his sister have suffered. How the **** could you ever describe that as a fight when one side is doing nothing to defend themselves?

I wonder if you would be saying the same if the roles of these two were reversed.

What do you mean by roles reversed?

Roles reversed would be a boy, throwing another boy to the ground and throwing water in his face, it would be exactly the same.

Boys and girls fight to show dominence, always have done always will do, it's just human nature. The only difference with this fight is, people are playing politics with it, identity politics.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

What do you mean by roles reversed?

Roles reversed would be a boy, throwing another boy to the ground and throwing water in his face, it would be exactly the same.

Boys and girls fight to show dominence, always have done always will do, it's just human nature. The only difference with this fight is, people are playing politics with it, identity politics.

Why are you so hesitant to acknowledge the syrian boy as a victim? You keep ignoring what's in front of you to pretend that this was a fight instead of a bullying incident.

All you are doing is normalising bullying and you seem to be defending it by passing it off as something natural. It's quite suspect. You mentioned that your 'fights' never became news in your youth and given what your interpretation of what 'fights' consist of, it makes me wonder whether you were a bully and that's why you are hesitant to call this what it is because it's something you were guilty of as a child.

This wasn't a fight and calling it so will not change the facts, you're just spreading misinformation to suit your own agenda. This is an incident of bullying and trying to talk around it and vindicate the bully of blame by making out that they were both in the wrong won't work because the truth of the matter is common knowledge.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why are you so hesitant to acknowledge the syrian boy as a victim? You keep ignoring what's in front of you to pretend that this was a fight instead of a bullying incident.

All you are doing is normalising bullying and you seem to be defending it by passing it off as something natural. It's quite suspect. You mentioned that your 'fights' never became news in your youth and given what your interpretation of what 'fights' consist of, it makes me wonder whether you were a bully and that's why you are hesitant to call this what it is because it's something you were guilty of as a child.

This wasn't a fight and calling it so will not change the facts, you're just spreading misinformation to suit your own agenda. This is an incident of bullying and trying to talk around it and vindicate the bully of blame by making out that they were both in the wrong won't work because the truth of the matter is common knowledge.

You see, your problem isn't with this story, your problem is with me and about you trying to virtue signal.

If you look back at my posts in this thread, you'll see my first post was sarcastically mocking the media. My second post in this thread was again having a go at the media, for creating hysteria and the consequences of it
I've also said in one of my posts in this thread (post 36) '"i'm not saying that's acceptable' and it's not, but there are school disciplinary procedures to deal with this kind of incident, it's not a matter for the media to drum up public hysteria, and that was my point from the start.

Let's look at the incident, which yes, was not acceptable.

The bigger lad threw the little lad to the ground, now let's be honest, the big lad, if he really wanted to, could have punched and kicked him on the ground, but he didn:t, he squirted some water in his face and then let him go. Why would that be a national news headline?

You want me to admit the Syrian boy is a victim, but how do I know what lead up to the incident, how do I know that earlier in the day he wasn't mouthing off to the other boy, or am I just supposed to believe that the boy was attacked for no reason?

And again on the normalising part, I agree, it would be great if we could eliminate bullying, but I believe that it's impossible in a free world, and these incidents will always happen. That's not my fault, it's reality.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

You see, your problem isn't with this story, your problem is with me and about you trying to virtue signal.

If you look back at my posts in this thread, you'll see my first post was sarcastically mocking the media. My second post in this thread was again having a go at the media, for creating hysteria and the consequences of it
I've also said in one of my posts in this thread (post 36) '"i'm not saying that's acceptable' and it's not, but there are school disciplinary procedures to deal with this kind of incident, it's not a matter for the media to drum up public hysteria, and that was my point from the start.

Let's look at the incident, which yes, was not acceptable.

The bigger lad threw the little lad to the ground, now let's be honest, the big lad, if he really wanted to, could have punched and kicked him on the ground, but he didn:t, he squirted some water in his face and then let him go. Why would that be a national news headline?

You want me to admit the Syrian boy is a victim, but how do I know what lead up to the incident, how do I know that earlier in the day he wasn't mouthing off to the other boy, or am I just supposed to believe that the boy was attacked for no reason?

And again on the normalising part, I agree, it would be great if we could eliminate bullying, but I believe that it's impossible in a free world, and these incidents will always happen. That's not my fault, it's reality.

'It's not that bad! He only got thrown to the floor! The totally-not-a-bully-because-i-say-so could have punched or stamped on him as well BUT HE DIDN'T!! It's obviously just two lads having a fight! The white person isn't to blame!'

I would never find you a problem, the problem is that you're vindicating the bully by making out that he isn't a bully and you're trying to push an utter bull**** story of this incident being a fight thus blaming the victim in part for his own abuse. All you've done is basically victim blame and normalise and when that's failed you've tried to erase the story by making out that it shouldn't be a story. It's a story, deal with it and stop defending bullying because at this point it's fairly obvious that is what you are doing given that you have not said one word in condemnation towards the bully's actions but you've done a lot to try to balance things using a ****ed up scale to put as much blame at the victim's feet as his bully.

It's ****ed up and I will call you out on it.

[Alf]

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

'It's not that bad! He only got thrown to the floor! The totally-not-a-bully-because-i-say-so could have punched or stamped on him as well BUT HE DIDN'T!! It's obviously just two lads having a fight! The white person isn't to blame!'

I would never find you a problem, the problem is that you're vindicating the bully by making out that he isn't a bully and you're trying to push an utter bull**** story of this incident being a fight thus blaming the victim in part for his own abuse. All you've done is basically victim blame and normalise and when that's failed you've tried to erase the story by making out that it shouldn't be a story. It's a story, deal with it and stop defending bullying because at this point it's fairly obvious that is what you are doing given that you have not said one word in condemnation towards the bully's actions but you've done a lot to try to balance things using a ****ed up scale to put as much blame at the victim's feet as his bully.

It's ****ed up and I will call you out on it.

I submit, you win

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