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31-12-2018, 02:17 PM | #51 | ||
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Obviously, no, we can't take in all of the world's poor and oppressed; it's not logistically possible, it would destroy our economy, and there have to be sensible policies in place. I think, in general, people understand that. But trying to pass the buck to the people who are living existences that you can't even imagine, as if they have some sort of moral responsibility to "stay where they are because it's safe", is a bit much. It's just disingenuous too because I think deep down everyone knows that in the same desperate situation the vast majority of people would do the exact same thing and try to "find something better". Also, yes, often they HAVE been mislead to believe that the UK is a "land of milk and honey" and have unrealistic expectations of what life will be like for them here, but that's not their fault either! It's a myth that's spread deliberately by the people who are taking money (often, everything people have) to get them in. And of course as that idea spreads, more and more people decide to take matters into their own hands and make the crossing in small groups in boats that can't actually make the journey, and those people end up needing rescued. The idea that they "deserve everything they get" for daring to try to enter precious Britain is just abhorrent. |
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31-12-2018, 02:50 PM | #52 | |||
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I never said they deserve everything they get, my point is these are not refugees but economic migrants so calling them refugees is incorrect as often they do leave a safe countryto get here, obviously if they want to swap a tent in France or some other EU country for the UK then there must be better options here? Your argument about they wanting a better life is solid, however if you turn that around and say people currently in the UK want a better quality of life by it not being over populated you call them racists so migrants are allowed to aim for better but people born in the UK must put up and shut up?
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31-12-2018, 03:05 PM | #53 | ||
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31-12-2018, 03:08 PM | #54 | |||
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31-12-2018, 03:17 PM | #55 | |||
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[A child was among 12 Iranian migrants
detained after their dinghy landed in Kent on New Year's Eve.] https://news.sky.com/story/sajid-jav...sings-11595381 |
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31-12-2018, 03:26 PM | #56 | |||
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just round them up and get rid, we dont want illegal anyone. we provide the means for legal migration. end of.
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31-12-2018, 03:51 PM | #57 | |||
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Thank you tibb, this is my best xmas present this year.
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31-12-2018, 04:05 PM | #58 | ||
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I wonder tho why Iranians...?
Iran is not lawless or in a state of war. Economically it's not one of the struggling countries. The only thing that comes to mind is lack of political freedom and hostility to homosexuality. Hope we're told what these people claim. |
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31-12-2018, 06:34 PM | #59 | |||
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31-12-2018, 10:28 PM | #60 | ||
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02-01-2019, 01:41 PM | #61 | |||
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[Home Secretary Sajid Javid
questions whether cross-Channel migrants are 'genuine' asylum seekers On a visit to Dover, the home secretary suggests those picked up by the UK authorities could have their asylum requests denied.] https://news.sky.com/story/sajid-jav...ekers-11596891 He has a point. |
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02-01-2019, 01:54 PM | #62 | |||
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02-01-2019, 02:20 PM | #64 | |||
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Have I missed your thread on the amount that the extreme wealthy and corporations avoiding taxes is costing the nation, in many ways?
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02-01-2019, 02:41 PM | #65 | ||
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02-01-2019, 03:21 PM | #66 | |||
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02-01-2019, 03:29 PM | #67 | ||
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it has plenty to do with your argument how illegals make us poorer
when you're silent on a much bigger issue that makes us poorer, tax avoidance and evasion if you just reported the facts of the matter then fine, but venturing into opinions betrays your right wing bias where the rich are never criticised only the poor and dispossessed. |
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02-01-2019, 03:33 PM | #68 | |||
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Facts Tax is paid under Current UK Tax Laws. I do not Control who is in power New Labour never did feck all to update the tax laws, for example Last edited by arista; 02-01-2019 at 03:33 PM. |
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02-01-2019, 03:52 PM | #69 | |||
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A major part of the way you view these issues is in monetary terms, so why is it ok to say that these "illegals" are costing us money, but actual criminals never get a mention from you? Why is it ok for people and corporations to ignore tax laws, and you only say "tax is paid under UK tax laws. I do not control who is in power" but when immigration is a law being ignored then you're all over it, hand wringing about the cost to the country, won't somebody think of the children...
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02-01-2019, 04:02 PM | #70 | |||
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The Criminal Gangs are all over my posts. Children get looked after. I am not all over this, as you say Its on Ever Fecking news and radio debate Every Day. |
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02-01-2019, 04:33 PM | #71 | ||
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bc right wing controls the news agenda
why we don't hear every day about tax avoidance? about who should really pay for austerity and economic crisis? and who wants open borders? it's big business bc they profit from it through cheap labour we'll see who post-brexit government will listen to, people who voted for brexit or big business; so don't expect the immigration numbers to go down an awful lot |
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02-01-2019, 04:40 PM | #72 | ||
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02-01-2019, 04:46 PM | #73 | |||
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it's been that way for over 30 years or so. This thread is about criminal gangs sending illegals across the dangerous sea from France. |
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02-01-2019, 04:47 PM | #74 | ||
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little do they know what the real agenda of those behind brexit is less "inconvenient" regulation from the EU like labour or environment protections not to mention financial services and tax laws |
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02-01-2019, 04:48 PM | #75 | |||
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TS not every Brexit voter is on about immigration. it is about being Sovereign, for many. |
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