[Mokka]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there you go women of tibb, marsh TS and withano say


"put up and shut up, this conversation is over"




:

Well thank goodness for the three of them being the real voice of reason around here. I'd have any one of them defend my rights as a woman any day

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Well thank goodness for the three of them being the real voice of reason around here. I'd have any one of them defend my rights as a woman any day

I still don't see pre op female to male trans battering down the doors to get into male facilities so where is the equality?

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I still don't see pre op female to male trans battering down the doors to get into male facilities so where is the equality?

My own kid is female to male trans... and we are just starting the process of undergoing those changes... and I know for a fact HE would want to start out and end up in a Male ward... (if Male wards are even necessary) because HE thinks, feels, and identifies as male. When you go into a hospital you get assigned a bed based on your recovery period... not based on your gender going in...so if location matters and he will need attention to his male physical body... then he needs to be where that can happen... not in labour, delivery, or hysterectomys.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Mokka

My own kid is female to male trans... and we are just starting the process of undergoing those changes... and I know for a fact HE would want to start out and end up in a Male ward... (if Male wards are even necessary) because HE thinks, feels, and identifies as male. When you go into a hospital you get assigned a bed based on your recovery period... not based on your gender going in...so if location matters and he will need attention to his male physical body... then he needs to be where that can happen... not in labour, delivery, or hysterectomys.

A post like this makes this forum worth being
On,a real person with real experience of the subject being discussed.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

A post like this makes this forum worth being
On,a real person with real experience of the subject being discussed.

well in Canada not the UK and not the NHS

so not really

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well in Canada not the UK and not the NHS

so not really

And you aren't trans, female or affected by the topic of this debate but you started the thread.

Careful LT... letting your transphobia, homophobia and Xenophobia hang out all in one thread may leave you a little to exposed.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mokka

And you aren't trans, female or affected by the topic of this debate but you started the thread.

Careful LT... letting your transphobia, homophobia and Xenophobia hang out all in one thread may leave you a little to exposed.

And that's the end of discussion LT. You've been labelled with the phobias, so you lose.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well in Canada not the UK and not the NHS

so not really

Didn’t realise if you live in a different country it cancels out real life.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Didn’t realise if you live in a different country it cancels out real life.

a cursory glance at the OP is your friend

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Mokka

My own kid is female to male trans... and we are just starting the process of undergoing those changes... and I know for a fact HE would want to start out and end up in a Male ward... (if Male wards are even necessary) because HE thinks, feels, and identifies as male. When you go into a hospital you get assigned a bed based on your recovery period... not based on your gender going in...so if location matters and he will need attention to his male physical body... then he needs to be where that can happen... not in labour, delivery, or hysterectomys.

This issue won't arise for your child, as there are already mixed wards in your hospitals. In the UK you can if you want choose to see either a male or female GP for instance, and most wards are single sex. As I have said umpteem times its self identification that I have an issue with as it open to abuse. If the person is transitioning or has transitioned I have no issue

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This issue won't arise for your child, as there are already mixed wards in your hospitals. In the UK you can if you want choose to see either a male or female GP for instance, and most wards are single sex. As I have said umpteem times its self identification that I have an issue with as it open to abuse. If the person is transitioning or has transitioned I have no issue

First of all... my point was that the NEED for separate wards for gender doesnt exist...if Canada's free healthcare system can run this way...why not the NHS. There is no basic rights being violated by mixed wards.

Secondly, transitioning doesnt happen overnight. At what point would you like to declare they are transitioned? The surgery takes years of planning and meds previous and multiple surgeries... but because someone else might be "uncomfortable" with someone in transition being in a shared hospital room... that's taking the pale. They aren't at any higher risk of being violated by a transgender person than they are by any stranger of any gender sharing a room or ward with them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mokka

They aren't at any higher risk of being violated by a transgender person than they are by any stranger of any gender sharing a room or ward with them.

And realistically, that risk is absolutely miniscule, even if there WERE hoards of men posing as women because they want to assault people. It logically fails on so many levels. First of all these people have to exist in any large number (which obviously they do not). Then they need to either somehow FAKE an illness or condition to get into a hospital ward, which is ludicrous, or perhaps just carry out an opportunistic sex attack whilst being ill enough to be a hospital inpatient .

But wait.

They also have to carry out that attack in a ward, which almost universally in the UK, have four beds per room and an open door to a staffed corridor.

And there's yet more!

The assumption is that these wards are otherwise secure. They are not. I could literally drive to the nearest hospital and walk onto a ward, for any gender, and into a room on that ward, at more or less any time, and no one would stop me.

But having transsexuals on the ward as patients? Far too dangerous!

I honestly don't think more than two seconds of snap reaction outrage goes into these opinions, it's such utter nonsense.

So... With all that in mind, it's pretty clear that the problem is not ACTUAL physical safety; it's about "safe space" and the perception / comfort of being safe (much like the women's toilets debate, with the bizarre logic that a man can't just walk into one at any time anyway).

And yes of course, everyone has the right to feel safe and comfortable, especially when ill. So what's making them feel unsafe? Is it the "presence of disguised penis"?

Or are they feeling nervous precisely because of the media hysteria, the bull****, the demonising, and people online winding each other up. Hmmm.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I still don't see pre op female to male trans battering down the doors to get into male facilities so where is the equality?

Do you know this from personal experience or just assuming because their isn't a weekly outraged news article on the daily mail that it doesn't happen?

Regardless I'd say it's not really a fair comparison when female to male transitioning is a lot more accepted in society than male to female is. Of course more transwomen are seeking help than transmen.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Do you know this from personal experience or just assuming because their isn't a weekly outraged news article on the daily mail that it doesn't happen?

Regardless I'd say it's not really a fair comparison when female to male transitioning is a lot more accepted in society than male to female is. Of course more transwomen are seeking help than transmen.

"when female to male transitioning is a lot more accepted in society than male to female is. Of course more transwomen are seeking help than transmen."

do you know this from personal experience or what?