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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If people won't be attacked then what is the issue? It can only be irrational fear (which is, literally by definition, phobia) and while yes irratiinal fears can still have a very real impact on people and shouldn't necessarily be dismissed, the aim should be to address those fears productively, and not say "Well quite right, we'll keep those strange folks away!" for the sake of comfort. How does society ever progress that way?


There are a lot of elderly people who are LEGITIMATELY afraid of black people... As in terrified. Because of how they were raised and things they've been indoctrinated to believe. Do we keep black people out of their wards to alleviate their fear? Their fear is very real, despite being unfounded and prejudiced. Do we stop black staff members from working with them? They would be much more comfortable if we did. But these things would (rightly) be seen as morally abhorrent. Why is it so different with trans issues? All I can ever come back to is the thought that people arguing so strongly against it must have some personal distaste for it, and a lot of it manifests as angry misandry, which is for some reason acceptable.

Again, I've already said I don't really have an issues with hospital wards.

I mean jesus christ... Imagine the backlash if men were proudly declaring "NO VAGINAS IN MEN-ONLY SPACES!". It would go down like a lead balloon, and for good reason. Its a wildly offensive way to phrase what might otherwise be an opinion with some validity... Reducing people to their genitalia. What is that?

I never said anything like that

Also the issue of Self -ID is a complicated one in itself. What is the alternative to self ID? A person's thoughts and feelings on their identity is irrelevant unless it's confirmed by a doctor or psychologist? Mental health professionals (who, unfortunately, frequently get things horribly wrong) get the final say on what an individual is or isn't? I don't think that's a particularly attractive path, either.



The REAL scenario is that the vast majority of self-identified transsexuals Will be dressing as and living as the gender they are claiming. The idea that blokes are going around looking and acting like blokes whilst self identifying as women on any sort of regular basis is just complete fantasy. Does it happen? Maybe, very, very rarely but we don't live our lives based on what is very rare and unusual. We don't keep kids locked in the house because of the very rare occasions when they go missing. We don't ban cars based on the not-even-that-unusual chance of a crash. We calculate risk sensibly and take all sort of risks, individually and as a society, on a daily basis. The risk of allowing Self ID in hospitals is utterly miniscule, and the aim should be to help people understand that to alleviate their fears, not to validate those fears by telling people "Well yeah a covert predator in a wig really might getcha".

Honestly I don't care how people choose to live, it only becomes an issue when places or things that are sex segregated (for good reason ie Biological reasons) are encroached upon like Prisons and Sports, there's been a fair few cases arising where trans woman have been entering womens sports and the biological advantages are very evident, it's pretty unfair for a start and also dangerous when it comes to some sports like UFC.

I don't tell my daughter that a masked man might run out of the woods and grab her when she's at the park with her friends. I don't keep her locked indoors. It happens! Horrifically, it COULD happen! But realistically, she isn't at any risk worth worrying about whilst playing hide and seek with her friends.

I do! Maybe not specifically a masked man but yeah, I've warned my kids about scenarios like those happening? I thought most parents did tbh?