[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No. As ever on me you are wrong, wrong and again wrong on me.

I am making no excuses for anti semitism and you should stop accusing of that.

I condemn anti semitism anywhere, anyhow by anyone as I've said on this thread too.

Genuine antisemitic views and actions are wrong.
I would as I said earlier, which had you read that and not just spouted your likely prejudiced hate against the left of politics,.
Seen I said anyone who wss antisemitic should have the book thrown at them.

Where is that making excuses.
There are people in the Con party who hold antisemitic views.
You'll bypass that likely.

Labour is dealing with it.
I wish quicker but it is as the opening post shows.

I have always been pro Israel and have abhorred antisemitism since I knew what it meant.

So I need no lectures from you in your irrational likely hate and spite against Labour and those on the left of politics.
Which you do every chance you get.

Firstly, the bit in bold. If you'd read my post properly I mentioned how I'm the first to admit the Tories are full of defects. That doesn't make any difference to Labour's clear demonstration of their abysmal record of dealing with the problem in their ranks. And anyway, 'Whataboutism' is just deflecting.

Secondly, irrational hate and spite? You're allowing your dislike for me to taint your posts with rudeness. And not even very clever rudeness.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Firstly, the bit in bold. If you'd read my post properly I mentioned how I'm the first to admit the Tories are full of defects. That doesn't make any difference to Labour's clear demonstration of their abysmal record of dealing with the problem in their ranks. And anyway, 'Whataboutism' is just deflecting.

Secondly, irrational hate and spite? You're allowing your dislike for me to taint your posts with rudeness. And not even very clever rudeness.

Your last paragraph is more suited to describing you as to myself.

I again repeat.
So as no one sees me misrepresented by your likely anti left propaganda.

I have always been pro Israel.
I abhor antisemitism.

I hope it is cleared out of all Parties.
I wish my Party, that I'm a member of, would deal with it more quickly but it is dealing with it.

I hope any found promoting antisemitism are expelled and I'd hope further action taken too.

I would not be in a Party I believed to be antisemitic.

I will not however allow all the vast majority of good members of the Labour Party, to be attacked by someone intent on likely encouraging hate for the Labour party and those on the left of politics.

There's really good and bad on the left of politics just as there is on the right.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your last paragraph is more suited to describing you as to myself.

I again repeat.
So as no one sees me misrepresented by your likely anti left propaganda.

I have always been pro Israel.
I abhor antisemitism.

I hope it is cleared out of all Parties.
I wish my Party, that I'm a member of, would deal with it more quickly but it is dealing with it.

I hope any found promoting antisemitism are expelled and I'd hope further action taken too.

I would not be in a Party I believed to be antisemitic.

I will not however allow all the vast majority of good members of the Labour Party, to be attacked by someone intent on likely encouraging hate for the Labour party and those on the left of politics.

There's really good and bad on the left of politics just as there is on the right.

Okay, that's enough. In real life, not online, I have friends from all political beliefs. You seem to have it in your head I'm a rabid Right winger... I don't know what your problem is but it's definitely your problem. It's absolutely fine for you to believe there is no anti-Semitism in the Labour party. I disagree 100%. And I'm not alone.

I have not been rude to you, Joey, but you've argued instead of debating and you've been quite spiteful. If you can't converse like an adult, I don't want to talk to you.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Okay, that's enough. In real life, not online, I have friends from all political beliefs. You seem to have it in your head I'm a rabid Right winger... I don't know what your problem is but it's definitely your problem. It's absolutely fine for you to believe there is no anti-Semitism in the Labour party. I disagree 100%. And I'm not alone.

I have not been rude to you, Joey, but you've argued instead of debating and you've been quite spiteful. If you can't converse like an adult, I don't want to talk to you.

That's fine by me 100%

In fact you once told me not to respond to your posts.
Which I have never done since unless you have come back at me on something.

I converse like an adult and I am one too.
I don't have irrational likely hate for any groupings of people, left or right or in any other way too.

You may be surprised to learn I too have many friends and family too of all political beliefs.
You are not unique in that either.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's fine by me 100%

In fact you once told me not to respond to your posts.
Which I have never done since unless you have come back at me on something.

I converse like an adult and I am one too.
I don't have irrational likely hate for any groupings of people, left or right or in any other way too.

You may be surprised to learn I too have many friends and family too of all political beliefs.
You are not unique in that either.

Remember when you and I were friends? What happened, I wonder. Only you know, Joey.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Remember when you and I were friends? What happened, I wonder. Only you know, Joey.

There are still a great many things I agree with you on.
There were many times you altered my view on issues and made me think again.

The odd thing is.
Even on this, you and I both agree antisemitism is totally unacceptable and wholly wrong.
It has to be got rid off particularly across the whole political divide.

It needs to be done independently in my view, I now don't trust or believe Parties can themselves investigate themselves properly.
Some success will come from such investigation by the Party but not enough.

I'm a member of the Labour party, with the absolute vast majority of other Labour members, I abhor antisemitism.
If I came across anyone in Labour promoting or expressing such views, I'd report them and complain.

I don't feel constant whipping of distrust in a Party is going to help.
The vast majority of MPs, members and voters of all Parties are overall decent good people tying their best.

I completely accept and respect your intense dislike of Corbyn.
I've said all along, he is not my choice for leader although I like his policies.

I have the same intense dislike of Theresa May, as you know I have from me joining tibb.

Reading this back actually, leaves me wondering what we are arguing about .
I think much I've said there you'd possibly agree with.

I want the antisemitism issue dealt with, it should not even be an issue, it shouldn't exist or be allowed to exist as an issue.
If any Jewish families, individuals or communities feel unwelcome or he made to feel unwelcome, that is a disgrace to me.

So some is being done, as I said earlier, not enough and my hope is much more is made sure to be done, to get rid of this unnecessary and wrong element of antisemitism from politics and hopefully across the UK too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

There are still a great many things I agree with you on.
There were many times you altered my view on issues and made me think again.

The odd thing is.
Even on this, you and I both agree antisemitism is totally unacceptable and wholly wrong.
It has to be got rid off particularly across the whole political divide.

It needs to be done independently in my view, I now don't trust or believe Parties can themselves investigate themselves properly.
Some success will come from such investigation by the Party but not enough.

I'm a member of the Labour party, with the absolute vast majority of other Labour members, I abhor antisemitism.
If I came across anyone in Labour promoting or expressing such views, I'd report them and complain.

I don't feel constant whipping of distrust in a Party is going to help.
The vast majority of MPs, members and voters of all Parties are overall decent good people tying their best.

I completely accept and respect your intense dislike of Corbyn.
I've said all along, he is not my choice for leader although I like his policies.

I have the same intense dislike of Theresa May, as you know I have from me joining tibb.

Reading this back actually, leaves me wondering what we are arguing about .
I think much I've said there you'd possibly agree with.

I want the antisemitism issue dealt with, it should not even be an issue, it shouldn't exist or be allowed to exist as an issue.
If any Jewish families, individuals or communities feel unwelcome or he made to feel unwelcome, that is a disgrace to me.

So some is being done, as I said earlier, not enough and my hope is much more is made sure to be done, to get rid of this unnecessary and wrong element of antisemitism from politics and hopefully across the UK too.

It's good to see a conversational post from you, Joey. I am not your enemy.

I know that there are elements in the Labour party who are fighting to deal with the problem of anti-Semitism. I do feel that more should be done, and more quickly. I know that people have left the Labour party because they don'#t feel the problem is being tackled fast enough or thoroughly enough. I don't hate the Left, we need a strong opposition, whether that the Tories or Labour... and the ongoing problem of anti-Semitism is splitting the Labour party. It's not a good position for them, nor for Jewish people who are feeling let down, some of them by a party they have always voted for. So in essence, pretty much what you said.

Anyhoo... nice to converse like this.