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Old 13-02-2019, 10:35 AM #1
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That's fine by me 100%

In fact you once told me not to respond to your posts.
Which I have never done since unless you have come back at me on something.

I converse like an adult and I am one too.
I don't have irrational likely hate for any groupings of people, left or right or in any other way too.

You may be surprised to learn I too have many friends and family too of all political beliefs.
You are not unique in that either.
Remember when you and I were friends? What happened, I wonder. Only you know, Joey.
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Remember when you and I were friends? What happened, I wonder. Only you know, Joey.
There are still a great many things I agree with you on.
There were many times you altered my view on issues and made me think again.

The odd thing is.
Even on this, you and I both agree antisemitism is totally unacceptable and wholly wrong.
It has to be got rid off particularly across the whole political divide.

It needs to be done independently in my view, I now don't trust or believe Parties can themselves investigate themselves properly.
Some success will come from such investigation by the Party but not enough.

I'm a member of the Labour party, with the absolute vast majority of other Labour members, I abhor antisemitism.
If I came across anyone in Labour promoting or expressing such views, I'd report them and complain.

I don't feel constant whipping of distrust in a Party is going to help.
The vast majority of MPs, members and voters of all Parties are overall decent good people tying their best.

I completely accept and respect your intense dislike of Corbyn.
I've said all along, he is not my choice for leader although I like his policies.

I have the same intense dislike of Theresa May, as you know I have from me joining tibb.

Reading this back actually, leaves me wondering what we are arguing about .
I think much I've said there you'd possibly agree with.

I want the antisemitism issue dealt with, it should not even be an issue, it shouldn't exist or be allowed to exist as an issue.
If any Jewish families, individuals or communities feel unwelcome or he made to feel unwelcome, that is a disgrace to me.

So some is being done, as I said earlier, not enough and my hope is much more is made sure to be done, to get rid of this unnecessary and wrong element of antisemitism from politics and hopefully across the UK too.

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There are still a great many things I agree with you on.
There were many times you altered my view on issues and made me think again.

The odd thing is.
Even on this, you and I both agree antisemitism is totally unacceptable and wholly wrong.
It has to be got rid off particularly across the whole political divide.

It needs to be done independently in my view, I now don't trust or believe Parties can themselves investigate themselves properly.
Some success will come from such investigation by the Party but not enough.

I'm a member of the Labour party, with the absolute vast majority of other Labour members, I abhor antisemitism.
If I came across anyone in Labour promoting or expressing such views, I'd report them and complain.

I don't feel constant whipping of distrust in a Party is going to help.
The vast majority of MPs, members and voters of all Parties are overall decent good people tying their best.

I completely accept and respect your intense dislike of Corbyn.
I've said all along, he is not my choice for leader although I like his policies.

I have the same intense dislike of Theresa May, as you know I have from me joining tibb.

Reading this back actually, leaves me wondering what we are arguing about .
I think much I've said there you'd possibly agree with.

I want the antisemitism issue dealt with, it should not even be an issue, it shouldn't exist or be allowed to exist as an issue.
If any Jewish families, individuals or communities feel unwelcome or he made to feel unwelcome, that is a disgrace to me.

So some is being done, as I said earlier, not enough and my hope is much more is made sure to be done, to get rid of this unnecessary and wrong element of antisemitism from politics and hopefully across the UK too.
It's good to see a conversational post from you, Joey. I am not your enemy.

I know that there are elements in the Labour party who are fighting to deal with the problem of anti-Semitism. I do feel that more should be done, and more quickly. I know that people have left the Labour party because they don'#t feel the problem is being tackled fast enough or thoroughly enough. I don't hate the Left, we need a strong opposition, whether that the Tories or Labour... and the ongoing problem of anti-Semitism is splitting the Labour party. It's not a good position for them, nor for Jewish people who are feeling let down, some of them by a party they have always voted for. So in essence, pretty much what you said.

Anyhoo... nice to converse like this.
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It's good to see a conversational post from you, Joey. I am not your enemy.

I know that there are elements in the Labour party who are fighting to deal with the problem of anti-Semitism. I do feel that more should be done, and more quickly. I know that people have left the Labour party because they don'#t feel the problem is being tackled fast enough or thoroughly enough. I don't hate the Left, we need a strong opposition, whether that the Tories or Labour... and the ongoing problem of anti-Semitism is splitting the Labour party. It's not a good position for them, nor for Jewish people who are feeling let down, some of them by a party they have always voted for. So in essence, pretty much what you said.

Anyhoo... nice to converse like this.
I will endeavour to keep this up then Livia.

I have always supported your stance on Israel and on antisemitism.

As I said, there are a great many things I agree with you on.
Far more than not.

I always before looked for your posts knowing often, a to the point sharp comment would raise a smile.
That still happens a great many times.

I hope you have a good day Livia.
My very best to you.
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I will endeavour to keep this up then Livia.

I have always supported your stance on Israel and on antisemitism.

As I said, there are a great many things I agree with you on.
Far more than not.

I always before looked for your posts knowing often, a to the point sharp comment would raise a smile.
That still happens a great many times.

I hope you have a good day Livia.
My very best to you.
Joey, you've made my day.
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Joey, you've made my day.
I think it was really your wording above in a post.
Where you said '' okay that's enough''.

It was kind of like being summoned to the headmaster.
It made me smile and think.

See, I do still listen to you.
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I think it was really your wording above in a post.
Where you said '' okay that's enough''.

It was kind of like being summoned to the headmaster.
It made me smile and think.

See, I do still listen to you.
You should know by now not to listen to everything I say.

Have a good day, Joey.
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