[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Cersei and Jaime are villainous characters where as we're meant to be rooting for Jon and Daenarys yet they're giving them such a disturbing romance.

And as to rapists in the show, if one of them was to be portrayed as a protagonist then I'd object to that too.

Jaime isn't really a villainous character, most of the characters can be a bit of both tbf

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jaime isn't really a villainous character, most of the characters can be a bit of both tbf

He is considerably more villainous than Jon and Daenarys is more my point.

Also away from having two of the protagonists having an incestuous relationship with each other, the rushed nature of it is also dire imo, they meet up in episode 3 of season 7, yet they start having mad feelings for each other by episode 5 of season 7 which no matter how the show tries to brush it up is dire writing imo.

Tbf it's not my only issue with the later on seasons compared to earlier seasons, it's just it stands out a lot more than most of the other ropey elements in the later seasons (maybe with the exception of The Sparrow storyline) so it's why I mentioned it as one of the biggest problems with the programme for me personally.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

He is considerably more villainous than Jon and Daenarys is more my point.

Jon Snow, yes, as Jon is essentially one of the only (maybe THE only) major character who hasn't done anything villainous at all. Daenerys though..? Questionable. She's done some pretty "morally grey" things, all throughout, but especially in the last 3 seasons.

Incest aside (lolz), the attempted murder of Bran was pretty much the worst thing Jaime has done thus far, and it wasn't a random act it was to try to cover up something (yes something... err... very dodgy) that would have destroyed him / his family / the royal line. The rest of what he's could all be considered simple wartime tactics, and his tactics are actually "cleaner" than a lot of others, including bonafide "good guys" like Daenerys and Tyrion. He's shown (again, incest aside!) personal morals many times right from the start. He respected Ned and was horrified when he was executed. He's tried to help various characters and

Spoiler:

Has now essentially become a deserter to go and join the fight against the White Walkers, when he has previously been all about loyalty / the Lannister name

In contrast;

Spoiler:

- Dany AND Tyrion have burned people alive (Dragons and Wildfire respectively)

- Arya has assassinated now countless people, including baking Walder Frey's sons in a pie, when there's no evidence that those Freys have done anything other than being related to Walder Frey

- Sansa has done all sorts of scheming etc. and has only REALLY turned properly "good" in the last two seasons

- Bran has gotten pretty much all of his friends killed looking after him and accidentally ****ed up Hodor through time (though you could argue isn't directly responsible)

The list goes on of course. "Good" characters are few and far between in GoT. Jon Snow, Brienne, I suppose Sam (but he's pretty much just a Jon Snow sidekick).

You have a few outright nasty ones like Joffrey and Ramsay Snow. Cersei is borderline nasty but the character's reasons are well developed. No one else on the "bad side" is really much worse than most of those on the "good side". But then, that's kind of the point.

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jaime isn't really a villainous character, most of the characters can be a bit of both tbf

Really? Someone who attempted to kill an innocent 10-year-old boy isn't a villain?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Really? Someone who attempted to kill an innocent 10-year-old boy isn't a villain?

You have to watch farther on

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You have to watch farther on

Will do, I'll official start watching it in march from the beginning.

Who's your fav character? from the clips I've seen, I'll say it's between Daenerys and Tyrion

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Will do, I'll official start watching it in march from the beginning.

Who's your fav character? from the clips I've seen, I'll say it's between Daenerys and Tyrion

Arya and Jon Snow

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Arya and Jon Snow

I like Arya. She's probably my favourite out of Ned's Kids. Jon Snow is also cool