[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think plenty people want to make money out of him and aren't trustworthy. However Jackson was seriously dodgy, that just cant be denied.

I agree ,he was a strange person in some ways , he was very childlike himself . but that doesn't prove he was a peado , just that he was very eccentric and different , amazing talent that some people seem to have always wanted to destroy . Very unfair now that he is dead aswell .

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree ,he was a strange person in some ways , he was very childlike himself . but that doesn't prove he was a peado , just that he was very eccentric and different , amazing talent that some people seem to have always wanted to destroy . Very unfair now that he is dead aswell .

I honestly think MJ had alot of issues and lacked the support and advice he needed . And like you say was very childlike himself , i think he missed his childhood as he had alot of pressure and was thrown into fame soo young with Jackson 5 .

I think he was very naive around children , i think he genuinely just wanted them to be happy . I don't think he ever in his wildest nightmares expected them to all turn against him .

The Martin Bashir documentary ( Bashire was a 2 faced idiot) , really highlighted how innocent MJ was but things got twisted of course . Plus why do people keep forgetting that MJ himself was telling children to have his bed while he sleeps ELSEWHERE ?? . But it sounds like the kids would still want to share a bed with him as they supposedly idolised him.

Also if i was abused by someone , whether it was a celebrity or not i WOULD NEVER demand or want any of their money . Who accepts money from an alleged sexual predator? if they've genuinely been abused by them . That's where these greedy liars messed up .

I think MJ thought it would go away if he kept "paying them off" so to speak . But in my eyes that doesn't make him look guilty it just makes the accusers look dirty and scummy. We all know MJ was sadly wreckless with his finances and he spent hell of alot of money . And lacked guidance .

And it's disgusting how even in death this witch hunt continues , more people attention seeking and cashing in on destroying a dead man's reputation who can't fight back.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Exactly.

I watched the documentary last night and was disgusted by how incredibly one sided it was. It's nothing but a 4 hour propoganda piece designed to help get their appeal overturned after failing to sue MJ's estate for a BILLION dollars.

No one can deny the content and overly graphic and compelling material isn't shocking, but there are so many inconsistencies and facts the director, Dan Reed chose to omit or care to check up on. We see plenty of Wade and Jimmy's family, but nobody from Michael's family or anyone to speak up for him on his behalf.

Nothing is mentioned about Wade being bitter about being tossed aside in favour of Jamie King choreographing the Cirque Du Soleil shows that he DESPERATELY wanted to do, and coming to the realization he was abused by MJ TWO WEEKS afterwards.

Nothing is mentioned about him shopping around for a book deal to reveal all about MJ after getting dropped from Cirque Du Soleil.

Just like nothing is mentioned about MJ setting Wade and Brandy Jackson up on a date - to which they embarked on a 7 year relationship but ended after she found out he'd been cheating on her with Britney Spears - bearing in mind this was the same MJ who they claimed didn't like them associating and forming relationships with girls.

It's interesting how they spend so much of the documentary going into great detail about what happened durung the sexual abuse, but don't mention ANYTHING about Michael's Vitilego or the markings on his penis / body - which is something you'd expect to be of relevance to these accusations.

It's really difficult to comprehend how both would keep going back to a man who had allegedy done such disgusting things to them. I very much doubt a chld of 7 would perform oral sex on an adult without screaming blue murder, no matter how much they said they "loved each other".

They don't mention anything about the accusers appeal currently in motion to screw billions from MJ's Estate. (despite claiming "its not about money").

There's also inconsistencies with the familes too. Like when Safechuck's Mother claimed she danced when she heard MJ was dead in 2009, yet James said he didn't reveal anything about the abuse to her until 2013?

Then in the end credits we see Wade burning his MJ memorobilia, but what they don't tell you is he had sold off most items of REAL value years earlier with Julien’s Auctions - where he originally tried to sell them anonymously, but they wouldn't let him.

There's so many more shady facts on these guys that I could tell you.

When you look at their history of trying to get money out of MJ's estate, it's clear "Leaving Neverland" is just one big propoganda piece designed to make us pity them, and hoping this documentary this will help with their appeal. Unfortunately, those who don't know anything about the accusers will believe it and that's what's worrying. It's a slap in the face to REAL victims of abuse, tbh.

Great post Nancy, Why people are so willing to believe these too is very telling.Job done boys.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Great post Nancy, Why people are so willing to believe these too is very telling.Job done boys.

I mean he slept in the same bed as strangers kids, what do you think it "tells" about people who think that's a bit suspicious?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean he slept in the same bed as strangers kids, what do you think it "tells" about people who think that's a bit suspicious?

It tells me anyone who is close and sleeps with a kid is thought of as a paedo straight away, they weren't strangers kids according to them their parents welcomed him and regarded him as a friend as he had apparently groomed them too ,and as strange as it may seem ,just because someone sleeps in the same bed doesn't make them a paedo, he does explain that,it's all out there. In a nutshell there are too many lies and indiscrepancies for me to believe he abused kids.my opinion , that's all

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Great post Nancy, Why people are so willing to believe these too is very telling.Job done boys.

I had him as guilty long before these 2 came out.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I had him as guilty long before these 2 came out.

I know you did as a lot of people did and do , but according to the USA court they didn't feel he was .

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I know you did as a lot of people did and do , but according to the USA court they didn't feel he was .

Didn't feel he was or not enough evidence at the time to say he was?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Hi Kaz, I think it stems from the fact that he wasn't found guilty in 2005 like they were hoping, and that irritated a lot of people, so this is their way of saying "justice has finally been served" like it's some kind of closure, when in fact it isn't.

Personally, I need more evidence than two self admitted liars going into graphic detail about sexual fantasies (which are said to be remarkably similar to Victor Gutierez's - "MJ was my lover book") - That to me doesn't prove a damn thing, nor does trial by public opinion - which seems to be the way we're going these days and that's actually quite terrifiying, tbh.

Couldn't agree more.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Hi Kaz, I think it stems from the fact that he wasn't found guilty in 2005 like they were hoping, and that irritated a lot of people, so this is their way of saying "justice has finally been served" like it's some kind of closure, when in fact it isn't.

Personally, I need more evidence than two self admitted liars going into graphic detail about sexual fantasies (which are said to be remarkably similar to Victor Gutierez's - "MJ was my lover book") - That to me doesn't prove a damn thing, nor does trial by public opinion - which seems to be the way we're going these days and that's actually quite terrifiying, tbh.

Well said Nancy,and isn't it funny how some facts are conveniently overlooked, I do feel sorry for MJs kids and family it must be like watching a public execution. And the director of the documentry Dan Reed must be rubbing his hands together with glee,he's never had so much publicity.