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07-03-2019, 12:04 PM | #426 | |||
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Not at all , but if someone says one thing then the exact opposite after they are a liar.
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07-03-2019, 12:04 PM | #427 | |||
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I'm not convinced . Why wait 10 years!??? , and they can't be that confused if they're happy to take part in a documentary claiming Jackson was a paedophile . I still think it's money motivated with a dash of jealousy at the attention he gave other kids . And by attention I don't mean anything inappropriate . Yes he was a strange guy with issues who shouldn't of invited kids in his home like that , but in his mind he obviously didn't see it as odd . |
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07-03-2019, 12:05 PM | #428 | |||
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07-03-2019, 12:06 PM | #429 | |||
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07-03-2019, 12:07 PM | #430 | ||
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They were definitely the perfect targets. Unfortunately, they did not behave the way victims should...random crying and getting emotional and telling everyone in secret at the time, etc etc. Which, tbh I would think is probably much more 'typical' than the victim the public tend to expect.
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07-03-2019, 12:08 PM | #431 | ||
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07-03-2019, 12:09 PM | #432 | |||
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07-03-2019, 12:09 PM | #433 | |||
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Even is MJ was still alive, he would still vehemently deny it and regardless of anything else, his actions towards children have led to broken people today
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07-03-2019, 12:10 PM | #434 | ||
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Fair enough. But this does kind of say, that the testimony that got him off was lies also, as it was told by a liar
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07-03-2019, 12:11 PM | #435 | |||
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what is it that the nay sayers think is the motive for this?
I mean just how much money can you make by saying you had painful anal sex with bleeding with an adult when you were a child? |
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07-03-2019, 12:12 PM | #436 | ||
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Like, you have 'known' this random guy a few days, and you leave your young child there and **** off touring America, leaving your child with this random adult man who...while yeah he was famous, you still DONT EVEN KNOW! Its bonkers. The parents have a definite part to play in this.
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07-03-2019, 12:12 PM | #437 | |||
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If someone lies under oath, they are the ones who've broken the law. So people believe he was telling the truth at the trial or lying? What about now? We know he's capable of lying... how can we tell?
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07-03-2019, 12:13 PM | #438 | ||
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And sorry but the parents also just 'believing' the 'random extortionist' line too. And still allowing their kids to sleep alone with this man who has been accused of being a nonce. Nah.
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07-03-2019, 12:13 PM | #439 | ||
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Taking the legal judgement out of it; you're not even doing what you suggest you support? You say that everyone should be viewed as possibly innocent until proven guilty, yet you go on to say that you feel that Jackson is definitely innocent. And in doing so, you demonstrate that you do NOT believe that everyone should be viewed as innocent until proven guilty, as you will happily assert that Robson and Safechuck are guilty of lying about this abuse when there is - likewise - no concrete evidence on which to base that assumption that guilt? It's bias, Joey. The most you can say if you truly believe in hardline proof, is that there's not enough evidence to condemn Jackson OR his accusers - and yet, you freely condemn his accusers on "personal feeling". Quote:
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07-03-2019, 12:14 PM | #440 | ||
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Well we can't 'tell' as such, but one can try and weigh up the balance of probabilities. I just find it odd that fans seem to be declaring them liars now...because they lied back then, but refusing to follow that to its logical conclusion. If you declare them liars now because of the testimony then, that discounts the testimony then also. Surely...
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07-03-2019, 12:16 PM | #441 | |||
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07-03-2019, 12:16 PM | #442 | |||
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what age were they when they told the "lies"?
(i dont know so genuine q) |
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07-03-2019, 12:16 PM | #443 | |||
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07-03-2019, 12:16 PM | #444 | ||
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07-03-2019, 12:17 PM | #445 | |||
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07-03-2019, 12:18 PM | #446 | ||
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If you're trying to tell me that most lawyers believe that "legal ruling = objective truth" then that's really quite terrifying. |
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07-03-2019, 12:20 PM | #448 | ||
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So you agree that the #1 key witness - described as such by Jackson's own legal team - in the 2005 trial, instrumental in his acquittal, is in fact by your own judgement "an unreliable witness" and thus the outcome of that trial is in question.
At least we're getting somewhere. |
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07-03-2019, 12:23 PM | #449 | ||
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