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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Had the one kept the underwear for one instance.
Only he went to get them he said.
He didn't need to get rid of them.
If they had not been conveniently got rid of 'by him himself, not even apparently worrying his blood was on them even, that was solid evidence.

If, I stress if, it was ever the case they existed with blood on them, and his tale had even the slightest element of truth as to it.

Joey he had no interest in keeping evidence or proof of what they were doing, he was as invested in keeping it a secret as MJ was, so why on earth would he keep them? He admits to being complicit in covering it up, but you don't believe it because he didn't keep evidence for a later date? Again it feels like you don't really understand what child grooming is, and that victims of it are not "hiding things away looking for a way out". They often want to protect the abuser and Wade Robson talks about this constantly throughout the entire 4 hour show. To say that you find it odd that he didn't keep evidence only shows that you weren't actually listening, or were unwilling to listen.

My honest advice would be to read up (properly, academically) on the psychology of child grooming. Not for the purposes of being convinced in this case, just because it's clear that you don't understand it or how it works and it's something that everyone should be aware of.