[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Haha joey you really need to chill

I literally said, its obviously fine to disbelieve them, up to you. Its the abuse myths I find a bit disturbing. Its moreso on facebook than here actually, but its been fair bit here too. The 'if their abuse was as bad as they said it was, no way could they have not told anyone til now'..kind of thing.

If they were so traumatised why beg to go to his funeral,why keep the gifts he gave and why did the one mother sleep with his jacket, most victims would keep well away, There was a case the other week,I don't know the guys name but it was posted on here he faked some homophobic attack ,he was believed at first but got caught out as a liar,Anyone can make anything up and say its fact but you need proof and considering the FBI investigated him for 4 years as did child services and the police,it's not like he was let off because of who he is. I'm with Joey here ,and it's NOT about his music it's about how someone can be vilified by the public and media who totally ignore his acquittal ,it's so wrong he has children too who have to listen and see what people are saying about their dad who was found innocent by a court of law,even when those men tried to sue his estate before it got thrown out, why do you think that is? They were happy to take stuff of him ,he even brought them a house ,but seems they still want more,but that is my opinion and I just know there is more to come.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If they were so traumatised why beg to go to his funeral,why keep the gifts he gave and why did the one mother sleep with his jacket, most victims would keep well away.

Just Wade went to the funeral and that was because he still had love for MJ at the time, the gifts were kept because there was still love there for MJ and the mother that slept with MJs jacket was Wade's and Wade hadn't come out with his story yet so she still believed MJ was a friend when he died hence sleeping with his jacket. Again you say most victims but when it comes to grooming everyone is different like it has been said MANY times in this thread and elsewhere

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

when those men tried to sue his estate before it got thrown out, why do you think that is?

I feel like this bit needs focused on alone because its been answered so many times but keeps coming back up.

Wade Robson brought a civil case against MJ and one against MJ's management company. The case against MJ was dismissed on technical grounds because it had been too long since his death. The case against the company was dismissed on technical grounds because it was decided that a management company can't be held responsible for the acts of an individual.

It has been made clear BY THE COURTS THEMSELVES that neither case was dismissed based on the validity of the claims being questioned; they never went to trial.

So why keep asking "why do you think those cases were dismissed?" as though you want the answer to be that they were found to be lying. They weren't. It was never examined in court. It was dismissed because of technical grounds.

Theres nothing more to say.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I feel like this bit needs focused on alone because its been answered so many times but keeps coming back up.

Wade Robson brought a civil case against MJ and one against MJ's management company. The case against MJ was dismissed on technical grounds because it had been too long since his death. The case against the company was dismissed on technical grounds because it was decided that a management company can't be held responsible for the acts of an individual.

It has been made clear BY THE COURTS THEMSELVES that neither case was dismissed based on the validity of the claims being questioned; they never went to trial.

So why keep asking "why do you think those cases were dismissed?" as though you want the answer to be that they were found to be lying. They weren't. It was never examined in court. It was dismissed because of technical grounds.

Theres nothing more to say.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I feel like this bit needs focused on alone because its been answered so many times but keeps coming back up.

Wade Robson brought a civil case against MJ and one against MJ's management company. The case against MJ was dismissed on technical grounds because it had been too long since his death. The case against the company was dismissed on technical grounds because it was decided that a management company can't be held responsible for the acts of an individual.

It has been made clear BY THE COURTS THEMSELVES that neither case was dismissed based on the validity of the claims being questioned; they never went to trial.

So why keep asking "why do you think those cases were dismissed?" as though you want the answer to be that they were found to be lying. They weren't. It was never examined in court. It was dismissed because of technical grounds.

Theres nothing more to say.

So why did he get aquitted at his trial ?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So why did he get aquitted at his trial ?

I'm not sure but there is a story going round that he was being investigated for abusing 2 Mexican boys by the FBI and they seemingly found a video intitled Michael Jackson favourite boys at neverland..seemingly the FBI did not further any investigation because jackson was about to receive an award from the president...Clinton.



So it was probably down to his fame and power.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm not sure but there is a story going round that he was being investigated for abusing 2 Mexican boys by the FBI and they seemingly found a video intitled Michael Jackson favourite boys at neverland..seemingly the FBI did not further any investigation because jackson was about to receive an award from the president...Clinton.



So it was probably down to his fame and power.

So you are you saying the FBI,the police and child services are all liars and corrupt?plus no doubt there will be 100s of allegations now they are exactly what you said 'stories'

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So you are you saying the FBI,the police and child services are all liars and corrupt?plus no doubt there will be 100s of allegations now they are exactly what you said 'stories'

There is photographic evidence of the documents at the time but I can't be arsed looking for them again.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There is photographic evidence of the documents at the time but I can't be arsed looking for them again.

If there was that would have been also used against him, sorry Parmy no way would FBI , child services and police all be corrupt and if there is evidence that would generate huge amounts of publicity and money.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So why did he get aquitted at his trial ?

He got acquitted Kazanne because after a high profile trial,and extensive thorough investigation.
He was found to be not guilty on not just one of the charges he was in court for, but for every one of them.

Something it seems, is considered irrelevant.

As for for their cash claim they made.
The court dismissed it.
Not giving any consideration to it.
Yes the time lapse was relevant however the court effectively ruled out the claim.

No footnote to the decision at all.

Why wait so long to start and change their story and then make a claim is open to all possibilities.

It could be they are now telling the truth, as some believe.
I still don't.
My suspicious mind leads me to thinking they possibly may have waited to see if they'd been left anything from Michael Jackson.
When they hadn't.
Hence where things are now.

That possibility will be shouted down strongly I know that.

However to me, in my personal view only, it's a valid avenue to go down for possible consideration.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He got acquitted Kazanne because after a high profile trial,and extensive thorough investigation.
He was found to be not guilty on not just one of the charges he was in court for, but for every one of them.

Something it seems, is considered irrelevant.

As for for their cash claim they made.
The court dismissed it.
Not giving any consideration to it.
Yes the time lapse was relevant however the court effectively ruled out the claim.

No footnote to the decision at all.

Why wait so long to start and change their story and then make a claim is open to all possibilities.

It could be they are now telling the truth, as some believe.
I still don't.
My suspicious mind leads me to thinking they possibly may have waited to see if they'd been left anything from Michael Jackson.
When they hadn't.
Hence where things are now.

That possibility will be shouted down strongly I know that.

However to me, in my personal view only, it's a valid avenue to go down for possible consideration.

Try and watch the video I have just posted Joey,let me know what you think, it sounds more truthful than they did.This video is about all the boys including Gavin, pointless some watching as they have already made thier minds up,but, we are not alone ,lol (excuse the pun)