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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm talking about crimes.

These 2 said no crimes, had ever been committed.
Now they are.

So already 2 liars in my view.
After however listening to them and watching them.

So giving them their hearing.
The whole thing sounds fishy to me.

I'm not judging them, I don't believe them.
There was swearing under oath in court that no crimes were committed by MJ.

You are discounting that.
I'm giving an opinion, not judging them at all.
They haven't 'YET' been investigated or tried for any crimes.

I am accepting the law, and what the law carried out, investigation, multiple charges and trial, which found MJ not guilty of all.

Now you can discount that and give MJ a criminal record, the law didn't if you wish.
However I won't.

FIVE people Joey. Five, not two. There were two in this documentary; the total number of accusers has been 5 and a couple more who say there were minor inappropriate incidents but no physical stuff. It's fine if you disbelieve all five but you need to stop saying that I believe "these two" because - like yours - my opinion isn't based solely on this documentary and to keep emphasising two is just misleading.

As for the rest of it, I get it. You're approaching this from a 100% "letter of the law" standpoint and that's fine, but it's also not the be all and end all of this (or any) debate for everyone.