[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Good for them Nicky for not taking that stupid knee jerk reaction

It's good but now I'm thinking it's a set up as the royalties roll in ie more money for liar & liar to sue the estate for .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Or too much time has passed or whatever. How long is too long? Victims should be able to come out whenever they feel ready and maybe some child abuse victim only feels ready when their abuser is dead?

Exactly.....many abused as children/youths and young adults are now telling their stories because at the time they didn’t know how to deal with it.
It’s so sad.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's good but now I'm thinking it's a set up as the royalties roll in ie more money for liar & liar to sue the estate for .

You cannot prove they are lying...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You cannot prove they are lying...

Well you nor it seems this pair can prove MJ did abuse them.
They can only say the words, not prove them.

Furthermore, they saw how it could be dealt with in 2005.
When Jackson was prosecuted.

They did and said nothing but deny firmly and extensively abuse had ever happened to them.

It's just words now from them too.

[Ramsay]

Youtube video

Shopping for a wedding ring, with a little kid in tow, in Simi valley California where Jimmy from the documentary is from, who said he kept the wedding ring MJ gave him...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Youtube video

Shopping for a wedding ring, with a little kid in tow, in Simi valley California where Jimmy from the documentary is from, who said he kept the wedding ring MJ gave him...

Did they match it with the ring in the documentary ? ,and trace it back to MJ? .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Youtube video

Shopping for a wedding ring, with a little kid in tow, in Simi valley California where Jimmy from the documentary is from, who said he kept the wedding ring MJ gave him...

But it's perfectly normal for adult men reliving their childhoods cos they didn't have one to go buy wedding rings for little boys

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well you nor it seems this pair can prove MJ did abuse them.
They can only say the words, not prove them.

Furthermore, they saw how it could be dealt with in 2005.
When Jackson was prosecuted.

They did and said nothing but deny firmly and extensively abuse had ever happened to them.

It's just words now from them too.

Well they have more chance of lying than, MJ can speak of his innocence, and they knew this, they look like nice normal guys so they must be telling the truth as for MJ he was a eccentric and strange man so must have done it , lol, so once again to have a child in your bed is strange to us , but no way does that mean he molested anyone

[GoldHeart]

Why has this "footage" only just emerged ?? . Has it actually been traced back to MJ ??

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Youtube video

Shopping for a wedding ring, with a little kid in tow, in Simi valley California where Jimmy from the documentary is from, who said he kept the wedding ring MJ gave him...

Not more ****e YouTube vids,can't be arsed to watch it only a clean cut scripted documentary will do.

[bots]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt one of the kids describe a "feature" that was present on the underside of Jackson's willy. I mean, if that's true, how could that be considered to have happened during innocent relations.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not more ****e YouTube vids,can't be arsed to watch it only a clean cut scripted documentary will do.

Tabloids are having a field day now and have posted online an image of a guy in disguise with fake moustache buying a ring for a child apparently .

It's interesting how this only emerges now after the leaving Neverland film , and still the story makes no sense .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Why has this "footage" only just emerged ?? . Has it actually been traced back to MJ ??

Apparently he brought the wedding ring for Cheryl Crow , didn't even see if it was the same ring, but THIS is supposed to tell us something. we didn't know.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not more ****e YouTube vids,can't be arsed to watch it only a clean cut scripted documentary will do.

boo hoo

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt one of the kids describe a "feature" that was present on the underside of Jackson's willy. I mean, if that's true, how could that be considered to have happened during innocent relations.

Oddly this was the one boy MJ decided to pay off

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Tabloids are having a field day now and have posted online an image of a guy in disguise with fake moustache buying a ring for a child apparently .

It's interesting how this only emerges now after the leaving Neverland film , and still the story makes no sense .

C'mon Goldheart the tabloids always had it him for him it was relentless ,they named him Wacko Jacko and constantly made fun of him,I didn't believe them then and certainly wouldn't believe them now, they will be loving it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

C'mon Goldheart the tabloids always had it him for him it was relentless ,they named him Wacko Jacko and constantly made fun of him,I didn't believe them then and certainly wouldn't believe them now, they will be loving it.

Course you don't, you believe the adult man who slept with 7 year olds, that makes much more sense

[Ramsay]

You guys seriously think it's just a coincidence hahah okay I'm out

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Apparently he brought the wedding ring for Cheryl Crow , didn't even see if it was the same ring, but THIS is supposed to tell us something. we didn't know.

I had to google her as I didn't know who she was ,apparently they never dated ?? but who knows. There's actually stories of mj having a few girlfriend's but maybe we only hear about the ones he was serious about ? .

Either way maybe the ring was still for a girlfriend , I don't think the ring James has is the same one .

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I had to google her as I didn't know who she was ,apparently they never dated ?? but who knows. There's actually stories of mj having a few girlfriend's but maybe we only hear about the ones he was serious about ? .

Either way maybe the ring was still for a girlfriend , I don't think the ring James has is the same one .

He's had two girlfriends before his first marriage to Lisa Marie Presley

Tatum O'Neal and Brooke Shields

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

C'mon Goldheart the tabloids always had it him for him it was relentless ,they named him Wacko Jacko and constantly made fun of him,I didn't believe them then and certainly wouldn't believe them now, they will be loving it.

I know that's why I'm more suspicious of the media rather than MJ , it still doesn't make sense to me and it feels very convenient after all the inconsistencies that James' story about a ring gets believed . But I'm still not convinced .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

He's had two girlfriends before his first marriage to Lisa Marie Presley

Tatum O'Neal and Brooke Shields

I always forget about Brooke Shields

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oddly this was the one boy MJ decided to pay off

it was probably some innocent naked morning wood

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt one of the kids describe a "feature" that was present on the underside of Jackson's willy. I mean, if that's true, how could that be considered to have happened during innocent relations.

There is something out there about that Bots this was , something to do with one of the reasons he was aquitted ,I will see if I can find it again,this is one I found it's something to do with him not being circumcised but I am sure this was also covered in one of the videos.


https://www.answers.com/Q/Is_Michael...on_circumcised

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I had to google her as I didn't know who she was ,apparently they never dated ?? but who knows. There's actually stories of mj having a few girlfriend's but maybe we only hear about the ones he was serious about ? .

Either way maybe the ring was still for a girlfriend , I don't think the ring James has is the same one .

She was one of his guitarists on the BAD tour Goldheart,I went to see him with my mom, fantastic.