[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Do you actually bother to read posts properly.

I said I could remember.
Not everyone.
I can't speak for others.
.

Does your ability to remember things have anything at all to do with the Jackson case or statements made by his family or accusers? Surely the only reason you mentioned that you can remember the specifics of dinner parties, was to back up that claim that Jackson's nephew remembers the specifics of the dinner parties Wade Robson attended.

I was saying that - regardless OF YOUR abilities with memory - it's not very likely that Jackson's nephew does remember these details so clearly.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Does your ability to remember things have anything at all to do with the Jackson case or statements made by his family or accusers? Surely the only reason you mentioned that you can remember the specifics of dinner parties, was to back up that claim that Jackson's nephew remembers the specifics of the dinner parties Wade Robson attended.

I was saying that - regardless OF YOUR abilities with memory - it's not very likely that Jackson's nephew does remember these details so clearly.

I have, without needing to, entertained your barrage of questioning for long enough.

You should be well aware of my feelings and conclusions I've made on this issue, after listening to all now, people on here, off here, this pair of accusers themselves, plus what is past on the issue too.

Your constant nitpicking and subtle digs at things I say as to my excellent memory and my judgements etc.
Is really wearing very thin now.

Read through my posts if really interested in my thinking on this, there are plenty of them.
If not really interested and you therefore are just pressing on with, what I see, I stress what personally I see, just possible irritating nonsense.

Well kindly move on to someone else who is bothered to deal with that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have, without needing to, entertained your barrage of questioning for long enough.

You should be well aware of my feelings and conclusions I've made on this issue, after listening to all now, people on here, off here, this pair of accusers themselves, plus what is past on the issue too.

Your constant nitpicking and subtle digs at things I say as to my excellent memory and my judgements etc.
Is really wearing very thin now.

Read through my posts if really interested in my thinking on this, there are plenty of them.
If not really interested and you therefore are just pressing on with, what I see, I stress what personally I see, just possible irritating nonsense.

Well kindly move on to someone else who is bothered to deal with that.

If you don't want to debate then don't debate Joey but I'm afraid being questioned and "nitpicking" is part of debating a topic. If you want to just "have your say" and have that etched in stone without questioning, or if being questioned and asked to qualify statements that are of questionable logic and come with sometimes frankly outlandish claims - (for example; "it's usual for people to remember every dinner they've ever been to because I have an excellent memory") then why are you engaging in debate?

If you find being pushed and questioned on your statements "irritating nonsense", and being asked to justify those statements somehow "offensive", then I would suggest that debate and discussion forums are not your most advisable pastime? Though of course that is entirely up to you, I'm not "telling you what to do!!", as I know perceived orders are another thing you're not fond of.

However... no, I'm not going to "move on" and let your posts go unchallenged - in a debate forum - because you don't like being questioned. If you can't be bothered with it feel free to ignore those questions, but I will still be asking them.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you don't want to debate then don't debate Joey but I'm afraid being questioned and "nitpicking" is part of debating a topic. If you want to just "have your say" and have that etched in stone without questioning, or if being questioned and asked to qualify statements that are of questionable logic and come with sometimes frankly outlandish claims - (for example; "it's usual for people to remember every dinner they've ever been to because I have an excellent memory") then why are you engaging in debate?

If you find being pushed and questioned on your statements "irritating nonsense", and being asked to justify those statements somehow "offensive", then I would suggest that debate and discussion forums are not your most advisable pastime? Though of course that is entirely up to you, I'm not "telling you what to do!!", as I know perceived orders are another thing you're not fond of.

However... no, I'm not going to "move on" and let your posts go unchallenged - in a debate forum - because you don't like being questioned. If you can't be bothered with it feel free to ignore those questions, but I will still be asking them.

I don't mind being questioned it's when it's the same old,same old it becomes monotonous, you believe them,we don't pretty simple really, and really no need to be so condescending to Joey , you know no more than us.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't mind being questioned it's when it's the same old,same old it becomes monotonous, you believe them,we don't pretty simple really

You would think so but apparently not; how many times has the phrase "proven liars!" been used in this thread? You and others have argued as strongly for your beliefs as those who disagree with you have so why are you pretending that it's any different? Yes it's often the same arguments over and over again... but on all sides - don't be a hypocrite.

and really no need to be so condescending to Joey , you know no more than us.

I wouldn't have thought Joey needs you to speak for him and I also haven't claimed to know more than anyone else - all I said was that if one isn't prepared to have their statements questioned then they MIGHT think twice before stating them but I also pointed out that that's entirely Joey's business. Other than that I only said that, no, I won't "move on to someone else" and stop questioning things that I disagree with because someone thinks it's "wearing thin" and finds it "irritating"... and that is entirely my business.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You would think so but apparently not; how many times has the phrase "proven liars!" been used in this thread? You and others have argued as strongly for your beliefs as those who disagree with you have so why are you pretending that it's any different? Yes it's often the same arguments over and over again... but on all sides - don't be a hypocrite.



I wouldn't have thought Joey needs you to speak for him and I also haven't claimed to know more than anyone else - all I said was that if one isn't prepared to have their statements questioned then they MIGHT think twice before stating them but I also pointed out that that's entirely Joey's business. Other than that I only said that, no, I won't "move on to someone else" and stop questioning things that I disagree with because someone thinks it's "wearing thin" and finds it "irritating"... and that is entirely my business.

Ive asked for proof from someone ( Not Kaz or Joey) who has repeatably called Jimmy and Wade this ,Im still waiting for his proof

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive asked for proof from someone ( Not Kaz or Joey) who has repeatably called Jimmy and Wade this ,Im still waiting for his proof

The proof is that they already lied at MJs trial........therefore he did abuse them?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you don't want to debate then don't debate Joey but I'm afraid being questioned and "nitpicking" is part of debating a topic. If you want to just "have your say" and have that etched in stone without questioning, or if being questioned and asked to qualify statements that are of questionable logic and come with sometimes frankly outlandish claims - (for example; "it's usual for people to remember every dinner they've ever been to because I have an excellent memory") then why are you engaging in debate?

If you find being pushed and questioned on your statements "irritating nonsense", and being asked to justify those statements somehow "offensive", then I would suggest that debate and discussion forums are not your most advisable pastime? Though of course that is entirely up to you, I'm not "telling you what to do!!", as I know perceived orders are another thing you're not fond of.

However... no, I'm not going to "move on" and let your posts go unchallenged - in a debate forum - because you don't like being questioned. If you can't be bothered with it feel free to ignore those questions, but I will still be asking them.

Challenge any post of mine you like however by now you must know my position on this, as I've listed it and debated same with you.

Keeping on coming back however, when my position is clear, as yours is to me too, and I don't agree with you on this and likely never will.
Is a waste of time and energy.

So do what you like but don't expect responses from me.
If you wish to waste your time that's fine.
I however have no wish to waste mine.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Challenge any post of mine you like however by now you must know my position on this, as I've listed it and debated same with you.

Keeping on coming back however, when my position is clear, as yours is to me too, and I don't agree with you on this and likely never will.
Is a waste of time and energy.

When I challenge people's opinions I'm not necessarily looking to change that person's mind, I'm stating my view for the benefit of the conversation as a whole, so whether or not your opinion will change is not really relevant.

So do what you like but don't expect responses from me.
If you wish to waste your time that's fine.
I however have no wish to waste mine.

That's fair enough and all I've asked for. I'll continue to quote and comment on your posts if I disagree with what you're saying, again for the benefit of the conversation as a whole not to try to change your mind, but you're under no obligation to respond or even read my posts.