[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

now let me think

who invaded and colonised most of non-white countries? whites
who treated the indigenous populations as inferior and expoited them? whites
who established slave-trade and supremacist ideologies like nazism? whites

To blame living whites for these things is like blaming innocent muslims for terrorism.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To blame living whites for these things is like blaming innocent muslims for terrorism.

Because views like that aren’t at all passed down through generations

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Because views like that aren’t at all passed down through generations

Are you suggesting extreme islam isn't passed down through the generations?

Blaming anyone (be it whites or muslims) for stuff they haven't personally done is deeply stupid.

[Moniqua]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

now let me think

who invaded and colonised most of non-white countries? whites
who treated the indigenous populations as inferior and expoited them? whites
who established slave-trade and supremacist ideologies like nazism? whites

educate them

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are differences between the races which are physical so nothing to do with society, so to call it entirely socially constructed is a bit GCSE Sociology tbh.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This ideology is quite confusing.Race is obviously biological.
How people of different races treat each other though,Yes is sociological.

Race as we understand it is a construct. I didn't say there aren't any biological differences between people from around the wold but race is a social construct. There are physical/ biological differences between different ethnic groups of black people around the world, but with the way we view race they're still simply categorised as black. The fact that how i'm categorised is dependent on the era and/or location i'm in proves this.

[armand.kay]

There was a time when people from the same noble family were seen as a race.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To blame living whites for these things is like blaming innocent muslims for terrorism.

look you are white and I am white, but at least I'm not in denial about my race and the undercurrent of superiority among some whites, so evident in our history as a race
it has a long history and it's far from dead,
some would say it's becoming somewhat livelier of late

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

There was a time when people from the same noble family were seen as a race.

That's new to me, where did you read that?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

look you are white and I am white, but at least I'm not in denial about my race and the undercurrent of superiority among some whites, so evident in our history as a race
it has a long history and it's far from dead,
some would say it's becoming somewhat livelier of late

History nothing. My history started 27 years ago. I can't personally share the glory of walking on the moon, so I'm not sharing the shame of racists from the past.
Y'know what else has a long history and is far from dead - islamic terror, which (in the West at least) some might say has been "somewhat livelier" in the past few years. That doesn't excuse victimising innocent muslims, and Norman Smith down the road shouldn't have the past of slavery hanging over his head.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Is it merely down to there being more white people in the world, so by mere numerical supremecy they will always considered to be the most racist due to their colour and perhaps sex n age?


Took me ages to digest your post..thank you.

It's less to do with numerical supremacy and more to do with white supremacy. the way we categorise race now is rooted in white supremacy. It was created for that very reason to establish dominance over everybody else. Racial hierarchy was used to justify colonialism, slavery and genocide. while we've moved on as people whiteness is still seen as the norm and everybody else is an other (mind, blacks stay perched right at the bottom).

[Twosugars]

you're betraying your lack of knowledge, Olivier

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

you're betraying your lack of knowledge, Olivier

Explain and expand.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

you're betraying your lack of knowledge, Olivier

He’s right though.Just because he doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean he lacks knowledge.

Some of the people who shout the loudest of not judging every Muslim by the actions of a minority then go on to judge white people on the actions of their distant ancestors.

Race will always be an issue if we’re constantly bringing it up.

Defining people of a certain ethnicity by the actions of other people of that ethnicity is racism.
We’re all human.Let’s stop trying to put everyone in categories.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Explain and expand.

[6 Marks]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

He’s right though.Just because he doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean he lacks knowledge.

Some of the people who shout the loudest of not judging every Muslim by the actions of a minority then go on to judge white people on the actions of their distant ancestors.

Race will always be an issue if we’re constantly bringing it up.

Defining people of a certain ethnicity by the actions of other people of that ethnicity is racism.
We’re all human.Let’s stop trying to put everyone in categories.

You misunderstood.
I don't blame Olivier (or myself) for past acts of discrimination of non-white people.
But I do take issue with people on the right claiming ignorance of where right wing extremism comes from and why it's a problem.
Parmnion asked if whites get accused of racism more bc there's more of them, Olivier thinks the history or inter-race relations doesn't matter bc it started before he was born. Others questioned why we should discuss right wing terrorism at all. That's what I object to, this attempt at pretending the issue doesn't exist or bc we have anti-discrimination laws so it must be ok. Truly Trumpian view of the world.

[Alf]

No place for this in a free World.

Scum

[Alf]

This isn't the answer.

Yes! There's problems, but this isn't the way to solve them.

We have to grow up.

[Alf]

Let's start laughing again.

What else make you happier?

[Alf]

We gotta communicate in a more cival manner.

It's OK to disagree and have different opinions on things, it's ok to take the Pi55 out of each other from time to time. It's better than this what we have now.

[Alf]

Anybody wanna join Alf in a TIBB group hug. Say "I"?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Alf

Anybody wanna join Alf in a TIBB group hug. Say "I"?

I'm serious, this is a community, let's start acting like a good one.

This is our lives now

[Alf]

It's twenty to eight in the morning, and I'm holding back in saying, "Don't look back in anger"

Or, part and parcel of living in a major city.

Don't believe the hype

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's twenty to eight in the morning, and I'm holding back in saying, "Don't look back in anger"

Or, part and parcel of living in a major city.

Don't believe the hype

It’s Saturday,Go back to sleep

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It’s Saturday,Go back to sleep

I'm too lively, NM me old friend.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm too lively, NM me old friend.

Well i was trying to sleep but one of the little human alarm clocks thought it was a good idea to wake me up