[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

If only you felt the same about other kinds of terrorists, but it looks like it's just the Muslims you're trying to understand. and what makes me laugh about your attempts to minimise what happened, is that the kind of fundamentalists who carried out these attacks would be outraged if they thought a gay man was speaking up for them.

Livia, as a lawyer you can do better than trot out demagogy that trying to understand an issue means excusing it. So crime profilers and criminologists approve of crime bc they spend their time trying to understand? Geez

The rest of your post is just nonsense, not even trying to answer it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Livia, as a lawyer you can do better than trot out demagogy that trying to understand an issue means excusing it. So crime profilers and criminologists approve of crime bc they spend their time trying to understand? Geez

The rest of your post is just nonsense, not even trying to answer it.

Yes I'm a lawyer. That's about all you know about me. You're neither a profiler not a criminologist I'd be willing to bet. You think that the intelligence services should be in involved in helping Muslims understand their own holy book.

Why is the rest of my post nonsense? To me, and maybe I'm alone in this, you do seem to be making excuses for them, and as you're a gay man, that surprises me.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes I'm a lawyer. That's about all you know about me. You're neither a profiler not a criminologist I'd be willing to bet. You think that the intelligence services should be in involved in helping Muslims understand their own holy book.

Why is the rest of my post nonsense? To me, and maybe I'm alone in this, you do seem to be making excuses for them, and as you're a gay man, that surprises me.

Of course intelligence services should be involved. They have people on the ground. We need to use local influencers etc to reach as many as possible.

Again, let me state it cleary: I do not support their actions and do not excuse them. Not just as a gay man, but as a human being.
I'm not a profiler or criminologist, but that's the bend I have when it comes to any issue, trying to understand. Understand why. I can't help it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Of course intelligence services should be involved. They have people on the ground. We need to use local influencers etc to reach as many as possible.

Again, let me state it cleary: I do not support their actions and do not excuse them. Not just as a gay man, but as a human being.
I'm not a profiler or criminologist, but that's the bend I have when it comes to any issue, trying to understand. Understand why. I can't help it

The intelligence services are not staffed with social workers. They're already undermanned and overstretched and now you think they should do outreach work? It would be wonderful if we could actually get somewhere by negotiation, or by preaching a kinder Islam... but Islamic terrorists despise us, and they certainly don't want anything from us, so personally, I think that the Muslim faith needs to think of a way of combating the violence.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

The intelligence services are not staffed with social workers. They're already undermanned and overstretched and now you think they should do outreach work? It would be wonderful if we could actually get somewhere by negotiation, or by preaching a kinder Islam... but Islamic terrorists despise us, and they certainly don't want anything from us, so personally, I think that the Muslim faith needs to think of a way of combating the violence.

Some people will be beyond reach and those should be taken out of the equation: captured or killed. But vast majority, including potential recruits should be reached one way or another.
The intelligence services should get more money anyway, but in this case it also makes economic sense. It'd be cheaper than fighting wars.
I'd trust the intelligence community to run this, deploying all the tools of the trade: from propaganda through influence all the way to assassination.
Of course Quran and its reading is only part of the problem. There are also political motivations at play. Hitting at financial resources and those who fund them is another.
But as far the masses go it's Quran and its interpretation, followed by political grievances.