[Liam-]

I actually find that disgusting, it’s not the kids fault their mother hasn’t paid, a child should always get a meal at school, they should have given them a meal and taken it up with their mother afterwards, that’s cruel and humiliating for the boys

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I actually find that disgusting, it’s not the kids fault their mother hasn’t paid, a child should always get a meal at school, they should have given them a meal and taken it up with their mother afterwards, that’s cruel and humiliating for the boys

Oh no, however will they survive this...…………..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I actually find that disgusting, it’s not the kids fault their mother hasn’t paid, a child should always get a meal at school, they should have given them a meal and taken it up with their mother afterwards, that’s cruel and humiliating for the boys

They had got 17.00 of dinners already which equates to about 2 school weeks! They would have been in touch as soon as she went into debt so 2 weeks later she still didn't pay, schools have budgets, if they feed these kids then other parents will want the same and then the school budget comes under pressure for other things, it might seem harsh but thats life

she has caused her kids more embarrassment by taking it the press tbf

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I actually find that disgusting, it’s not the kids fault their mother hasn’t paid, a child should always get a meal at school, they should have given them a meal and taken it up with their mother afterwards, that’s cruel and humiliating for the boys

Sure they are unlucky that the Mother
has spent all the Cash on something else,
But that mother must pay the £17 debt
she is at fault taking it to the Local newspaper
that then ends up on Worldwide DM feed.


The Debate at 10AM on LBC Radio
had many angry at the Mother

[Ammi]

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day...(...which apparently they take pride in, their lovely schools meals with a 3 choice menu...)...there is no way on this earth that there would be no surplus with those numbers, absolutely no way at all...but rather than give the left over food to the children at no cost to anyone...they chose not to ...and most probably it went into the bins...to make a point with their ‘£10 rule’...and with no thought for those children having a meal to sustain them through their afternoon...even grated cheese and some salad with the bread and butter which is reasonable sustenance for a child to work on...but no, it’s a £10 rule’...and that’s more important than the children...

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day...(...which apparently they take pride in, their lovely schools meals with a 3 choice menu...)...there is no way on this earth that there would be no surplus with those numbers, absolutely no way at all...but rather than give the left over food to the children at no cost to anyone...they chose not to ...and most probably it went into the bins...to make a point with their ‘£10 rule’...and with no thought for those children having a meal to sustain them through their afternoon...even grated cheese and some salad with the bread and butter which is reasonable sustenance for a child to work on...but no, it’s a £10 rule’...and that’s more important than the children...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day...(...which apparently they take pride in, their lovely schools meals with a 3 choice menu...)...there is no way on this earth that there would be no surplus with those numbers, absolutely no way at all...but rather than give the left over food to the children at no cost to anyone...they chose not to ...and most probably it went into the bins...to make a point with their ‘£10 rule’...and with no thought for those children having a meal to sustain them through their afternoon...even grated cheese and some salad with the bread and butter which is reasonable sustenance for a child to work on...but no, it’s a £10 rule’...and that’s more important than the children...

This Working Mother
can now correct her mess
and make sure her phone is working
at all times.....................................

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day..

360 children had rolls?! That's a lot of parents just letting their kids eat bread...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day...(...which apparently they take pride in, their lovely schools meals with a 3 choice menu...)...there is no way on this earth that there would be no surplus with those numbers, absolutely no way at all...but rather than give the left over food to the children at no cost to anyone...they chose not to ...and most probably it went into the bins...to make a point with their ‘£10 rule’...and with no thought for those children having a meal to sustain them through their afternoon...even grated cheese and some salad with the bread and butter which is reasonable sustenance for a child to work on...but no, it’s a £10 rule’...and that’s more important than the children...

If they are chucking food in the bin instead of giving it to kids who are short, then thats vile. Not sure how it should be assumed there is surplus though? Some other kids might have lost their dinner money or had their parents miss a payment or whatever.

Bread and butter and a piece of fruit..is not really that bad. not the best but surely better than nothing.

This mother took the piss. The school does need a policy, to stop people taking the piss (mind a tenner is a bit..harsh. Would think it would be higher but I guess, it depends how many parents try avoiding the costs regularly really). The school will only have the policy as people have tried to take the piss in the past. This mother needs to actually make sure her kids have dinner money paid. Or put them on packed lunches.

Normally am on the side of parents in these types of thing. but the fact that shes gone to the press moaning on, saying the social would be called had she sent them in with the same food despite her sending them in with no food and no money too, that shes claiming they are hugely unfair when its a blanket rule and that, and maybe the fact that I am running on no sleep at all.. may be making me harsher than usual. The mother shamed the kids though, and not the school, the school followed policy, and then the mother went crying to the papers to embarrass the kids and gain attention.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If they are chucking food in the bin instead of giving it to kids who are short, then thats vile. Not sure how it should be assumed there is surplus though? Some other kids might have lost their dinner money or had their parents miss a payment or whatever.

Bread and butter and a piece of fruit..is not really that bad. not the best but surely better than nothing.

This mother took the piss. The school does need a policy, to stop people taking the piss (mind a tenner is a bit..harsh. Would think it would be higher but I guess, it depends how many parents try avoiding the costs regularly really). The school will only have the policy as people have tried to take the piss in the past. This mother needs to actually make sure her kids have dinner money paid. Or put them on packed lunches.

Normally am on the side of parents in these types of thing. but the fact that shes gone to the press moaning on, saying the social would be called had she sent them in with the same food despite her sending them in with no food and no money too, that shes claiming they are hugely unfair when its a blanket rule and that, and maybe the fact that I am running on no sleep at all.. may be making me harsher than usual. The mother shamed the kids though, and not the school, the school followed policy, and then the mother went crying to the papers to embarrass the kids and gain attention.

...of course food is thrown out from kitchens every single school day, Vicky...and by the head’s own words this rule was only ever designed to punish a child for a parental error...The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10....the family owes money../..the parent owes money...so the child will be denied a lunch...how is that not Dickensian...if it’s felt that these parents..(...not just the mother..)..are guilty of bad parenting in some way..?...then the primary solution to that from an establishment with a duty of care to children...is to uphold some £10 rule and give the children bread and butter only...(...while food is most definitely being thrown out....)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...of course food is thrown out from kitchens every single school day, Vicky...and by the head’s own words this rule was only ever designed to punish a child for a parental error...The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10....the family owes money../..the parent owes money...so the child will be denied a lunch...how is that not Dickensian...if it’s felt that these parents..(...not just the mother..)..are guilty of bad parenting in some way..?...then the primary solution to that from an establishment with a duty of care to children...is to uphold some £10 rule and give the children bread and butter only...(...while food is most definitely being thrown out....)

Thats not quite what the head said though Saying you have a rule for when parents owe money, does not equate punishing kids for the parent being an irresponsible twat. Not in my eyes anyway.

I have never worked in a school dinner hall so have no experience of it, so can only go on what my kids schools say when they explain the lunches. And thats that the kids on dinners (paid or free) put their orders in. Orders are prepared elsewhere and stored. They given in premade trays. The school do not have spare trays, except when a kid leaves school ill in the morning or something. Hell, we have had issues before where even though the forms were filled out for orders 3 weeks back, the school actually 'order them' properly on the day (like, they give a list beforehand so the ingredients and such are there, but the actual food order goes in after morning marks apparently, for paid meals..the free ones are ordered regardless, and as such a kid who had ordered a free meal and was off, their meal would be going spare on that day), so when Skye has been late for various reasons, we have been told to send her with a packed lunch that day as orders have gone in already and there may be nothing for her. Fairly sure if I pushed they would manage to sort something, but I have never tried. But they also do not charge you for that day, obviously.

It all seems so stupid, and just totally backwards. But I can well see if that school is anything like theirs, that there will not be much spare, if any spare. They get in the amount of orders they put in. Sometimes have some flexibility if free meals have been ordered and not eaten though. But theres been a few times that Skyes not liked what she had, and they had nothing to replace it with. They do give her extra fruit in those cases though, as fruit is just in the school and not ordered daily obviously

Also, the school does not have any provisions in place at all for parents who do not pay. But they don't do 'accounts' or whatever like this school must if they have to deal with debt often. Needs paid for at the start of the week/day, and if not, packed lunches must be brought. There is not even a grace day for mistakes, a few times Gavin has took the kids to school and forgot his wallet and had to walk back along to pay for meals! he proper rages, and yes, again, it IS stupid.

It genuinely makes no sense to me, that the orders must be done 3 weeks in advance, yet they seem to not be able to handle the odd lateness due to the way ordering actually works?! But a lot of things about how schools are ran make no sense to me

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats not quite what the head said though Saying you have a rule for when parents owe money, does not equate punishing kids for the parent being an irresponsible twat. Not in my eyes anyway.

I have never worked in a school dinner hall so have no experience of it, so can only go on what my kids schools say when they explain the lunches. And thats that the kids on dinners (paid or free) put their orders in. Orders are prepared elsewhere and stored. They given in premade trays. The school do not have spare trays, except when a kid leaves school ill in the morning or something. Hell, we have had issues before where even though the forms were filled out for orders 3 weeks back, the school actually 'order them' properly on the day (like, they give a list beforehand so the ingredients and such are there, but the actual food order goes in after morning marks apparently, for paid meals..the free ones are ordered regardless, and as such a kid who had ordered a free meal and was off, their meal would be going spare on that day), so when Skye has been late for various reasons, we have been told to send her with a packed lunch that day as orders have gone in already and there may be nothing for her. Fairly sure if I pushed they would manage to sort something, but I have never tried. But they also do not charge you for that day, obviously.

It all seems so stupid, and just totally backwards. But I can well see if that school is anything like theirs, that there will not be much spare, if any spare. They get in the amount of orders they put in. Sometimes have some flexibility if free meals have been ordered and not eaten though. But theres been a few times that Skyes not liked what she had, and they had nothing to replace it with. They do give her extra fruit in those cases though, as fruit is just in the school and not ordered daily obviously

Also, the school does not have any provisions in place at all for parents who do not pay. But they don't do 'accounts' or whatever like this school must if they have to deal with debt often. Needs paid for at the start of the week/day, and if not, packed lunches must be brought. There is not even a grace day for mistakes, a few times Gavin has took the kids to school and forgot his wallet and had to walk back along to pay for meals! he proper rages, and yes, again, it IS stupid.

It genuinely makes no sense to me, that the orders must be done 3 weeks in advance, yet they seem to not be able to handle the odd lateness due to the way ordering actually works?! But a lot of things about how schools are ran make no sense to me

...it’s not quite what the head said, it’s exactly what the head said, Vicky...

The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10


...the children are denied whenever the family owes...a debt to the school is not a family debt, it’s a parental debt only... and those are the head’s own words..that the children will be punished/will be denied because of a parental error or debt...