[Niamh.]

Oh also my sister in law was in that episode last night running behind Arya and the Hound and probably ended up torched RIP

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh also my sister in law was in that episode last night running behind Arya and the Hound and probably ended up torched RIP

You're handling it pretty well. I take it you weren't that close.

[Niamh.]

I wonder if this is how GRRM had planned it for the book? He could have made her progression into madness more believable I think, it was all too fast in the show, same with Jaimes turn back to the darkside

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You're handling it pretty well. I take it you weren't that close.

It's kind of funny really because the shortened version of her name is Ash

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wonder if this is how GRRM had planned it for the book? He could have made her progression into madness more believable I think, it was all too fast in the show, same with Jaimes turn back to the darkside

Pretty sure you're correct

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's kind of funny really because the shortened version of her name is Ash

Too soon.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Pretty sure you're correct





Too soon.

I really really hope he finishes the books now, maybe the fact that the show has made such a hash of the ending, will motivate him to start writing again?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I really really hope he finishes the books now, maybe the fact that the show has made such a hash of the ending, will motivate him to start writing again?

I read the other day that he's apparently finished both books already but he struck a deal with Dan and Dave not to release before the show finished. I don't believe it, but I'll grasp at any straw at this stage.

[bots]

i thought the latest episode was great, i wasn't disappointed by any of it, my disappointment was in the previous episode.

Dani has been a hairs breadth away from creating pure havoc numerous times before. She had close advisors previously that tempered her but now they are gone, and her trust is lost in Tyrion. What happened in Kings landing was inevitable. Let's also not forget that it has been driven home for seasons, that the common people shouldn't be harmed, so it was bound to happen.

I found it a very satisfying episode

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And the NK

I am still not sure she used a face of a whitewalker like you say or was just..quick and shocked them as they were concentrating on TNK trying to eye shag Bran

Yes it made her a great assassin. But, the many faced god stuff seemed like it had to be like..really important. Could have just sent her to ninja school for training otherwise

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We literally saw him getting sliced open from ear to ear Vicky . The only explanation for him being alive would be if Arya was in on it and deliberately missed the arteries whilst "making it look good". But then, whoever got rid of the body would have to be in on it too.

I am aware However, we also had a totally random scene that kind of fit nothing at all and there was no reason for it, where littlefinger gave one of those bravosi coins to some random girl, right before he was killed. Which would also give reason for the constant many faced god stuff. If it was still down to GRRM, I would actually put money on it, but not sure HBO writers are quite up to that. Still a bit confusing as to why that scene was there though..unless it was a possible they had in mind

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I read the other day that he's apparently finished both books already but he struck a deal with Dan and Dave not to release before the show finished. I don't believe it, but I'll grasp at any straw at this stage.

oh my god, I hope that's true. I mean it could be, he had a couple of chapters released of The Winds of Winter, would have been a bit odd that he'd start it and then just throw it in a drawer for a few years

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am aware However, we also had a totally random scene that kind of fit nothing at all and there was no reason for it, where littlefinger gave one of those bravosi coins to some random girl, right before he was killed. Which would also give reason for the constant many faced god stuff. If it was still down to GRRM, I would actually put money on it, but not sure HBO writers are quite up to that. Still a bit confusing as to why that scene was there though..unless it was a possible they had in mind

You're just making me remember that GoT (with good writing) had enough material for (and sort of NEEDED) at least two more seasons before the finale Vicky .

I've been watching the first season and there's SO MUCH dialogue and intrigue and all of it is so gripping... so many plot points and storylines have just fallen apart . The contrast with the last few episodes (seasons, tbh) is really quite... ... ... ... Stark

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

oh my god, I hope that's true. I mean it could be, he had a couple of chapters released of The Winds of Winter, would have been a bit odd that he'd start it and then just throw it in a drawer for a few years

Maybe he's a marketing genius? He's finished the books and they end totally differently and are amazing, and he's been feeding the show bogus information for their finale, and then as soon as it's over he'll be like "Now, here's the REAL ending you've all been waiting for" and it'll be the best-seller of all time . Would also ensure that his "masterwork" is the definitive version of the story, and he MUST have been worried that his own original work would end up being over-shadowed by the TV show...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe he's a marketing genius? He's finished the books and they end totally differently and are amazing, and he's been feeding the show bogus information for their finale, and then as soon as it's over he'll be like "Now, here's the REAL ending you've all been waiting for" and it'll be the best-seller of all time . Would also ensure that his "masterwork" is the definitive version of the story, and he MUST have been worried that his own original work would end up being over-shadowed by the TV show...

Please, please, pleaaaase let this be true

[user104658]

My other explanation for Dany's horrific character development is that he has planned all along for Dany to become the mad queen but her madness builds in subtle-yet-clear ways throughout the books... but he didn't reveal the "ending" to the showrunners until they were about to write and film the final episodes of S8; so they didn't edge Dany's character in that direction and had to just have a sudden jarring shift in her character in order to have it end as specified.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're just making me remember that GoT (with good writing) had enough material for (and sort of NEEDED) at least two more seasons before the finale Vicky .

I've been watching the first season and there's SO MUCH dialogue and intrigue and all of it is so gripping... so many plot points and storylines have just fallen apart . The contrast with the last few episodes (seasons, tbh) is really quite... ... ... ... Stark

Yeah, its depressing what they could have done and haven't.

I get wanting to kill it while its still popular so it doesn't just drag on. But there was just so much character building and possibilities it did need at last 2 seasons to wrap it up properly. There was enough there for maybe 3 or 4 without it getting stale I think.

Really really hope he does bring the books out soon and the rumours are true that they are there, just waiting. However, that kind of makes me nervous that...the writers HAVE followed his story. But then I think nah, no way would the first have been so detailed, so thought through, so different, only for the last to be this ridiculous nonsense

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Please, please, pleaaaase lets this be true

Or what if he's finished them and was waiting for the fan reaction, and now that he's seen how the Mad Dany-"twist" has gone down, he's burning the second half of the final book and rewriting it as we speak?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Or what if he's finished them and was waiting for the fan reaction, and now that he's seen how the Mad Dany-"twist" has gone down, he's burning the second half of the final book and rewriting it as we speak?

The Mad Queen angle would be fine if they had made her progression there more believable

[Vicky.]

I do think they have showed her gradually getting worse and worse in her want to rule. However, not quite to the stage where she burns thousands of innocents for literally no reason. Shes been clearly more and more focussed on the throne, clearly more and more arrogant, clearly more and more power hungry (and basically sometimes a bit delusional about how shes the worlds saviour and stuff and making out its for the people, rather than because she just wants it), and has had a few dodgy moments. I could well have bought (and thought this would happen and was screamed at by dany fans for saying this was possible ) her maybe..killing Jon so that the throne was hers, or something like that. A small rampage to get rid of those who knew about Jons parentage, or to kill off a few advisors who had pissed her off. Or a couple more 'you WILL bow to me' murders. Something like that.

But this was not being power mad. It was being a total lunatic and just..killing (and killing people you reckon you should rule too..) for the sake of it, no reasoning at all behind it. As I mentioned the Tarleys were another decision I questioned, and all for more 'bend the knee', but this is obviously literally 1000x worse than that. Power mad, and blood thirsty are not the same thing. So while I do buy and think the developments been there for her to turn 'bad', certainly not for the level they went to.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do think they have showed her gradually getting worse and worse in her want to rule. However, not quite to the stage where she burns thousands of innocents for literally no reason. Shes been clearly more and more focussed on the throne, clearly more and more arrogant, clearly more and more power hungry (and basically sometimes a bit delusional about how shes the worlds saviour and stuff and making out its for the people, rather than because she just wants it), and has had a few dodgy moments. I could well have bought (and thought this would happen and was screamed at by dany fans for saying this was possible ) her maybe..killing Jon so that the throne was hers, or something like that. A small rampage to get rid of those who knew about Jons parentage, or to kill off a few advisors who had pissed her off. Or a couple more 'you WILL bow to me' murders. Something like that.

But this was not being power mad. It was being a total lunatic and just..killing (and killing people you reckon you should rule too..) for the sake of it, no reasoning at all behind it. As I mentioned the Tarleys were another decision I questioned, and all for more 'bend the knee', but this is obviously literally 1000x worse than that. Power mad, and blood thirsty are not the same thing. So while I do buy and think the developments been there for her to turn 'bad', certainly not for the level they went to.

I agree - doing something over the top and "power mad" (like burning the Red Keep after the bells had rung) wouldn't have been out of character. Turning on her friends and allies wouldn't have been out of character... but burning the innocent civilians, children and babies included, is SO out of character that it fails to make sense on any level. Her entire motivation for gaining power has been to protect the weak from the powerful. So while it might be supposed to be "irony", it just doesn't work, because it could only possibly mean that her supposed motives all along were lies (and they were clearly never made out to be lies).

[Ramsay]

GRRM already dismissed that rumour about the books being finished

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a...ast-two-books/

[Niamh.]

Was reading some reviews of the episode and this line made me laugh the most

One consistent truth in Game of Thrones: Jon Snow still knows nothing.

https://ie.ign.com/articles/2019/05/...s8-ep-5-review

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

GRRM already dismissed that rumour about the books being finished

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a...ast-two-books/

waaa

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree - doing something over the top and "power mad" (like burning the Red Keep after the bells had rung) wouldn't have been out of character.

That wouldn't have been power mad as such, that would have been the move that made sense I think. Even after the surrender.

Ugh I was actually shouting at the TV while she floated around on Drogon winding her way up all the streets leaving them in flames...like playing snake slowly on her way to Cersei while roasting kids. Like..just fly direct to her, blast her and be done with it. Easy enough to do, surely

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

GRRM already dismissed that rumour about the books being finished

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a...ast-two-books/

Well...he would say that.

Hes hardly going to admit to sitting on the finished books because of a contract (or other reason). There would be outrage!