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Niamh. · 22-05-2019, 04:23 PM

2 Seasons on the WW would be too much, they should have done 1 on getting rid of them, 1 getting rid of Cersei and then the final one with Dany

Marsh. · 22-05-2019, 04:25 PM

Cersei WINS

Vicky. · 22-05-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

2 Seasons on the WW would be too much, they should have done 1 on getting rid of them, 1 getting rid of Cersei and then the final one with Dany

Well thats kind of how the final 3 seasons would have gone, just teh WW conflict was already woven through s7 so would already count towards it

So not another 2 seasons on them, just s8. (plus would obviously have the other stories developing as the WW thing was going on, like s7 did)

Thats how I took that anyway..not entirely sure why s7 is on there..

user104658 · 22-05-2019, 04:34 PM

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I think in the end they made it so complicated a couple of seasons ago that they couldn't live up to it, instead they decided to discard the Night King and all the different theories surrounding him and simplified it massively. Greyworm holding Tyrion as prisoner and literally letting him choose the next King and then be appointed Hand to that King is pretty dumb going. He's never accepted any authority but Dany's yet he's happy for all power to suddenly reside in a motley collection of lords who have made the journey down there.

I guess Jon going north makes sense anyway but once the unsullied leave (and presumably the Dothraki) then there's no one left who's going to care about enforcing his exile. I get why Bran was made king but its a bit unsatisfying when they've spent such little time on his character. I do think there's a lot more they could have done with him but they never bothered. Also don't see why the other lords would see Bran allow the north to be an independent kingdom and not demand the same for themselves. Realistically anyone could easily challenge Bran to the throne but I guess that doesn't matter now as its supposed to be 'the end'

To answer a couple of those...

Greyworm was loyal to Dany but he has been a lifelong slave and has never known how to do anything but follow, so it's not that weird that he allowed / wanted Westeros to pick a new leader so that they could just leave, and also not that strange that he didn't take any drastic action regarding Jon or Tyrion because, again, he's never made a decision like that himself and has always relief on "someone in charge" to tell him what to do.

Secondly regarding the independent North, it was established pretty early on that the North has never been a 100% compliant member of the seven kingdoms, I believe Cersei has a conversation with Joffrey in Season 1 when he's claiming that he'd "get them in line", where she tells him that the North is "too big and too wild to be tamed" or something along those lines. The other six seem to have been in a quite peaceful union for thousands of years whereas The North has always had separatist tendencies.

MTVN · 22-05-2019, 05:19 PM

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To answer a couple of those...

Greyworm was loyal to Dany but he has been a lifelong slave and has never known how to do anything but follow, so it's not that weird that he allowed / wanted Westeros to pick a new leader so that they could just leave, and also not that strange that he didn't take any drastic action regarding Jon or Tyrion because, again, he's never made a decision like that himself and has always relief on "someone in charge" to tell him what to do.

Secondly regarding the independent North, it was established pretty early on that the North has never been a 100% compliant member of the seven kingdoms, I believe Cersei has a conversation with Joffrey in Season 1 when he's claiming that he'd "get them in line", where she tells him that the North is "too big and too wild to be tamed" or something along those lines. The other six seem to have been in a quite peaceful union for thousands of years whereas The North has always had separatist tendencies.

I'm not big on the history but didn't they all become one kingdom at the same time and the Iron Islands at least also always seem to have been quite an independent and 'untamed' place

The Greyworm thing makes sense but I'd think he'd still have some pent up fury/retained loyalty to Dany that he'd want to avenge her given the opportunity rather than just let it all blow over

MTVN · 22-05-2019, 05:22 PM

Imo the battle against Cersei and actual Game of Thrones should have been wrapped up first and then the war against the dead should have been the climax with some clever twist/reveal about who he was and his history

Smithy · 22-05-2019, 05:26 PM

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Imo the battle against Cersei and actual Game of Thrones should have been wrapped up first and then the war against the dead should have been the climax with some clever twist/reveal about who he was and his history

Same, I think that’s how it’ll be in the books

user104658 · 22-05-2019, 06:32 PM

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Same, I think that’s how it’ll be in the books

I mean, GRR Martin has already said that all of the "Major characters" plot points are largely the same so it can't be too different. I guess all of the Cersei / Dany stuff could occur before the final war against the dead, but the titles of the last two books strongly suggest that the White Walkers are defeated at the end of "The Winds of Winter" and "A Dream of Spring" is when all of the Dany drama occurs (it's a dream of "peace" after the war with the dead but it becomes clear that Dany intends many more years of war on her quest to "break the wheel").

Honestly though you would hope that there is a LOT more time and story between the burning of King's Landing and the eventual "Queenslaying", when it becomes clear that she really isn't going to stop... Not having it happen right there the next day.

user104658 · 22-05-2019, 06:38 PM

Which is why I think even one more season could have worked, if this one was 10 episodes. A longer build up to the Winterfell battle / NK being destroyed, then episodes 4 and 5 of this season at the end, with episode 5 the season finale. Followed by a final 6-episode season NEXT year with a whole five episodes following the aftermath of Kings Landing, with Jon trying to convince her to change path, and slowly wrestling with the realisation that he has to kill her (maybe as she's gearing up to head to Winterfell, because Sansa is still resisting?) ... Killing her at the end of episode 5 or beginning of episode 6 and then the wrap up.

Smithy · 22-05-2019, 08:30 PM

Fookin told ya’s!!

Epic. · 22-05-2019, 09:52 PM

Oh.

Well then that makes things even worse because there really was nothing to salvage huh

Marsh. · 22-05-2019, 09:56 PM

Why did people think they would?

It would cost A FORTUNE to film material they had no intention of using.

I assumed the reason we had less episodes was due to using the budget on the effects for the battles they wanted etc.

So they weren't going to waste money on fake endings.

Smithy · 22-05-2019, 10:02 PM

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Why did people think they would?

It would cost A FORTUNE to film material they had no intention of using.

I assumed the reason we had less episodes was due to using the budget on the effects for the battles they wanted etc.

So they weren't going to waste money on fake endings.

Literally what I was saying the whole time

Brother Leon · 23-05-2019, 01:14 AM

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Definitely needed to be longer than 8 seasons

I said this exact layout to my sister. Even GRRM said you need 10 season to do it justice.

Brother Leon · 23-05-2019, 01:16 AM

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Same, I think that’s how it’ll be in the books

Perhaps. I think that’s how Dany may redeem herself from burning KL in the books. By saving them in the battle up North.

user104658 · 23-05-2019, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why did people think they would?

It would cost A FORTUNE to film material they had no intention of using.

I assumed the reason we had less episodes was due to using the budget on the effects for the battles they wanted etc.

So they weren't going to waste money on fake endings.

It wouldn't cost that much, it would just be different takes with different dialogue on the same filming days. They wouldn't actually have to do any of the post-processing or effects for the 'unused' endings.

Marsh. · 23-05-2019, 11:21 AM

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It wouldn't cost that much, it would just be different takes with different dialogue on the same filming days. They wouldn't actually have to do any of the post-processing or effects for the 'unused' endings.

So then what would be the point of them?

Smithy · 23-05-2019, 11:33 AM

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It wouldn't cost that much, it would just be different takes with different dialogue on the same filming days. They wouldn't actually have to do any of the post-processing or effects for the 'unused' endings.

It took 5 days to film the scene of all the houses choosing Bran

Yes it would cost more

Smithy · 23-05-2019, 01:17 PM

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Perhaps. I think that’s how Dany may redeem herself from burning KL in the books. By saving them in the battle up North.

Possibly, if you remember in S2 Danys vision is her going to touch the throne but then ends up going “beyond the wall” before joining Drogo and Rheago, when they filmed that is quite possible the creators weren’t exactly sure which way they were going with the plot but knew that that’s what happened in the books

Mystic Mock · 23-05-2019, 03:24 PM

I think that this show will always remain as an iconic show for me personally (especially the earlier seasons) but my god this season was truly terrible.

The pacing was off for most of the season imo, things were happening too quickly that it made no sense why certain characters were doing certain things (especially with Dany) but overall I still give the show a pass for some of the greatest moments on TV.

Mystic Mock · 23-05-2019, 03:25 PM

I think that this show will always remain as an iconic show for me personally (especially the earlier seasons) but my god this season was truly terrible.

The pacing was off for most of the season imo, things were happening too quickly that it made no sense why certain characters were doing certain things (especially with Dany) but overall I still give the show a pass for some of the greatest moments on TV.