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Cherie · 08-06-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s really hard to think how such young people in 2019...can have so much intolerance of sexuality instilled in their mindsets ..?...as is the same when we hear of racism in the same way...terrifying....

yes it is, I thought we were moving forward but it like we are stuck or even going into reverse

user104658 · 08-06-2019, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

yes it is, I thought we were moving forward but it like we are stuck or even going into reverse

It's been ingrained for so long that I think it just plateau'd decades ago. We reached the point where everyone who really believes in equality openly wants it, and then for a while we pushed past into an era where the ones who deep down never wanted it still "went along with it" and were (quite rightly) embarrassed by their opinions but now that thread has broken and the types of people who never really wanted it will just happily and openly declare it.

Social media has played a huge part - showing people that they're not alone in their toxic views so they feel supported in sharing them - but crap like Trump winning the presidency and the popularity of the likes of Tommy Robinson have really finished it off. "PC" is officially dead, just as some people wanted, and these are the effects.

The truth is that people are VULNERABLE out in the world. Especially women, and gay couples, and other minorities. The only thing protecting anyone when it comes right down to it, is social etiquette, and that's being eroded by the day. What's left when people don't feel ashamed to do and say whatever the hell they want? The thin illusion that the authorities or the government can actually protect anyone meaningfully slips away like it never existed. The worst kind of anarchy.

GiRTh · 08-06-2019, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's been ingrained for so long that I think it just plateau'd decades ago. We reached the point where everyone who really believes in equality openly wants it, and then for a while we pushed past into an era where the ones who deep down never wanted it still "went along with it" and were (quite rightly) embarrassed by their opinions but now that thread has broken and the types of people who never really wanted it will just happily and openly declare it.

Social media has played a huge part - showing people that they're not alone in their toxic views so they feel supported in sharing them - but crap like Trump winning the presidency and the popularity of the likes of Tommy Robinson have really finished it off. "PC" is officially dead, just as some people wanted, and these are the effects.

The truth is that people are VULNERABLE out in the world. Especially women, and gay couples, and other minorities. The only thing protecting anyone when it comes right down to it, is social etiquette, and that's being eroded by the day. What's left when people don't feel ashamed to do and say whatever the hell they want? The thin illusion that the authorities or the government can actually protect anyone meaningfully slips away like it never existed. The worst kind of anarchy.

Beso · 08-06-2019, 09:16 PM

Did they go out looking to attack a lesbian couple....I doubt it..

They attacked though, i think this is more a psychological issue more than a direct and targeted attack on the gay community.

Marsh. · 08-06-2019, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Did they go out looking to attack a lesbian couple....I doubt it..

They attacked though, i think this is more a psychological issue more than a direct and targeted attack on the gay community.

Is there a difference?

No, they didn't go out on the hunt for a gay couple to attack. But, they still attacked a gay couple... for being gay. The difference doesn't change anything.

Beso · 08-06-2019, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Is there a difference?

No, they didn't go out on the hunt for a gay couple to attack. But, they still attacked a gay couple... for being gay. The difference doesn't change anything.

Could easily have been an old man that had told them to show some respect.

Smithy · 08-06-2019, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Could easily have been an old man that had told them to show some respect.

Did you miss the part where they demanded the lesbian couple kiss for their amusement?

No it couldn’t have easily been an old man

Twosugars · 08-06-2019, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Could easily have been an old man that had told them to show some respect.

Their hostility towards gays was pre existing. Opportunity to act on it presented itself and they took it.

But also what kind of a man beats up women?

armand.kay · 08-06-2019, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Could easily have been an old man that had told them to show some respect.

Well it wasn't was it? It was a lesbian couple minding their business before being subjected to misogynist and homophobic harassment. ****ing hell why are you trying to derail from this??

Beso · 08-06-2019, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy

Did you miss the part where they demanded the lesbian couple kiss for their amusement?

No it couldn’t have easily been an old man

It could have been, if he was sat where they were and turned and told them to shut up...

reece(: · 08-06-2019, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

They attacked though, i think this is more a psychological issue more than a direct and targeted attack on the gay community.

I'd say the only vulnerable ones were the ones left blooded and scarred. Ridiculous to suggest this was not homophobic attack!

Beso · 08-06-2019, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Their hostility towards gays was pre existing. Opportunity to act on it presented itself and they took it.

But also what kind of a man beats up women?

The same kind that would be at up and old man that told them to shut up in front of thier mates.

user104658 · 08-06-2019, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Did they go out looking to attack a lesbian couple....I doubt it..

They attacked though, i think this is more a psychological issue more than a direct and targeted attack on the gay community.

Psychological in a sense but we're in the realms of social psychology here not individual psychology. Gang mentality, bystander apathy, boasting and displays of "power". These individuals are not mentally ill.

Twosugars · 08-06-2019, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

The same kind that would be at up and old man that told them to shut up in front of thier mates.

Why discuss hypotheticals?
Let's stick to facts. They perpetrated a violent homophobic attack

Beso · 08-06-2019, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Psychological in a sense but we're in the realms of social psychology here not individual psychology. Gang mentality, bystander apathy, boasting and displays of "power". These individuals are not mentally ill.

But they are immature enough to react violently if they are somehow belittled in front of thier mates...like when they refused to kiss...

Same would have happened if an old bloke had pulled them up for swearing or something..

Imo..there wasn't an attack until the couple started standing thier ground, making the mockers turn volent to save face.

sleleen · 08-06-2019, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by reece(:

I'd say the only vulnerable ones were the ones left blooded and scarred. Ridiculous to suggest this was not homophobic attack!

Beso · 08-06-2019, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Why discuss hypotheticals?
Let's stick to facts. They perpetrated a violent homophobic attack

That's been established, please allow the discussion to move on.

GiRTh · 08-06-2019, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s really hard to think how such young people in 2019...can have so much intolerance of sexuality instilled in their mindsets ..?...as is the same when we hear of racism in the same way...terrifying....

Yes its very depressing.

thesheriff443 · 08-06-2019, 09:40 PM

Real life, I was in McDonald’s this evening a group of teenagers 14 to 15 one black girl three white girls and a gay guy, the started lighting cigarettes und the table this was noticed by a new polish girl who was cleaning tables she reported it to the counter staff who did nothing she was then abused by all in the group calling her names this including the gay guy, called her a polish *****. They left,

I later had a conversation with another member of staff and told him of the abuse, because of their age they can do nothing even when the police are called they can do nothing.

He said we are facing this problem every day.

Smithy · 08-06-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Real life, I was in McDonald’s this evening a group of teenagers 14 to 15 one black girl three white girls and a gay guy, the started lighting cigarettes und the table this was noticed by a new polish girl who was cleaning tables she reported it to the counter staff who did nothing she was then abused by all in the group calling her names this including the gay guy, called her a polish *****. They left,

I later had a conversation with another member of staff and told him of the abuse, because of their age they can do nothing even when the police are called they can do nothing.

He said we are facing this problem every day.

What has that got to do with anything?

And how do you know he was gay?

GiRTh · 08-06-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

But they are immature enough to react violently if they are somehow belittled in front of thier mates...like when they refused to kiss...

Same would have happened if an old bloke had pulled them up for swearing or something..

Imo..there wasn't an attack until the couple started standing thier ground, making the mockers turn volent to save face.

Its almost like the women made the men attack them. We see this attitude in other areas of life so its not so shocking here.