[Tom4784]

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

Dezzy, you are one who talks the most sense on here honestly.
I agree with all you say.

Only this guy had that reaction.
He grabbed a Woman by the neck.
Not try to escort her out by her arm.
That in itself is a threatening act.

I'd be saying all this no matter who it was, an MP or not.
Irrespective if Party.

He was wrong in his response as a person and it is assault as no one acted as he did.
No one else even seemed bothered.

This thread made, even before anyone posted it has at its head.
Tory MP in the heading.
TORY MP, clear as day

Had it said Labour MP.
Those with the irrational venomous spite against the Labour movement, would be screaming this was something Corbyn needs to stamp out in Labour and that the assault was from the usual left wing thug element.
I'd bet most of all I have on that..

Yet they cry out at times for reasoned debate.

Once this heading of Tory MP was there.
The sad defence of this assault has flowed.
Showing total double standards.

I've had my eyes well and truly opened on this thread, I'm left frankly stunned and sickened.

The law tells you, you cannot legally and shouldn't take the law into your own hands.
That's what he did, against a Woman.

She shouldn't have been there, to some on here protestors shouldn't be anywhere.
The women, a whole group of them were there, people there were talking to the other women.

This angry individual was the only one to assault any of them.

It's a disgrace anyone is trying to defend him as to his menacing and threatening response to that woman.
[Sickening totally.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Dezzy, you are one who talks the most sense on here honestly.
I agree with all you say.

Only this guy had that reaction.
He grabbed a Woman by the neck.
Not try to escort her out by her arm.
That in itself is a threatening act.

I'd be saying all this no matter who it was, an MP or not.
Irrespective if Party.

He was wrong in his response as a person and it is assault as no one acted as he did.
No one else even seemed bothered.

This thread made, even before anyone posted it has at its head.
Tory MP in the heading.
TORY MP, clear as day

Had it said Labour MP.
Those with the irrational venomous spite against the Labour movement, would be screaming this was something Corbyn needs to stamp out in Labour and that the assault was from the usual left wing thug element.
I'd bet most of all I have on that..

Yet they cry out at times for reasoned debate.

Once this heading of Tory MP was there.
The sad defence of this assault has flowed.
Showing total double standards.

I've had my eyes well and truly opened on this thread, I'm left frankly stunned and sickened.

The law tells you, you cannot legally and shouldn't take the law into your own hands.
That's what he did, against a Woman.

She shouldn't have been there, to some on here protestors shouldn't be anywhere.
The women, a whole group of them were there, people there were talking to the other women.

This angry individual was the only one to assault any of them.

It's a disgrace anyone is trying to defend him as to his menacing and threatening response to that woman.
[Sickening totally.

I tell you what I find sickening and astounding Joey, you have laboured the same point over and over on this thread, making if very clear that you are attacking someone that considers you a good friend, I think most people could argue their point without resorting to the crushing insults you have heaped on the head of someone who considers you a friend. If I were Kazanne I would have told you where to shove your attitude by now but she is far too nice to do that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I tell you what I find sickening and astounding Joey, you have laboured the same point over and over on this thread, making if very clear that you are attacking someone that considers you a good friend, I think most people could argue their point without resorting to the crushing insults you have heaped on the head of someone who considers you a friend. If I were Kazanne I would have told you where to shove your attitude by now but she is far too nice to do that.

Really.
Well I need no lectures from you as to labouring the same point.

I will make my points as I wish and if I make or do anything that is wrong.
I will be told by the mods not YOU.

My post clearly states they not one person.
The plural meaning several people not just one.

I think you should post on the topic and stop playing a self appointed mod status.
Frankly since you have come to get at me yet again as in the past.

If you are sickened by me and my valid points.
That is satisfying to me, very much so.

Back to the topic that you have veered from to
I get at someone personally.
I state again, I feel it is wrong to defend this man.
No matter who or what he is.

I have not attacked anyone personally, only the views they express.

You mention someone too by name.
I won't.
However on political issues we battle constantly on here.
Other things we agree 100% on..

Over all my years on here I have raced to defend said individual and will do so likely many tines in the future too.
So I respectfully suggest you mind your own business.

Something you seem to have a problem with doing.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.

But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.

Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.

But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.

Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.

This BS irks me more than it should.

She was not armed and nobody else at that table felt threatend ..only him.


Politicians do have reason to be cautious..Many MP's face peaceful...abusive and aggresive protesters leaving Westminster every day and don't react like this.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.



But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.



Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all. It's bad enough that people want to justify his violent actions, but we also have people keen to brand him some sort of have-a-go hero? Really, really grim.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all.

Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy x

[lime]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy x

Oliver if we all held opinions that he/she might be a threat we would never leave our homes.I'm starting to thing folk are terrorising themselves.

Nobody but him felt that the woman was a threat only him

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy x

The idea that you have to be "psychic" to assess a social situation is disingenuous nonsense, too.

"How was I supposed to know that the screaming, crying person was upset tho? I'm not a psychic herpdy derpdy doo, I couldn't possibly make a guess at anyone's intentions without them being explicitly explained by that person"

[lime]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all. It's bad enough that people want to justify his violent actions, but we also have people keen to brand him some sort of have-a-go hero? Really, really grim.

[Ammi]

....I think for me what he did went beyond anything that could be considered reasonable force...but it worries me as to what society we live in would become if the stance was...’be prepared for a personal attack by attacking first..’....even when all the ‘apparent attacker’ has done is to approach you...we cannot live our lives in the assumption that a person/people are going to harm us...because of specific isolated incidents...being vigilant is important...but attacking and assaulting someone....no...

[Ammi]

...Kaz and Joey.....I know you have always had a great friendship and huge respect for each other..I hope that continues for you both.....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Kaz and Joey.....I know you have always had a great friendship and huge respect for each other..I hope that continues for you both.....

It will and can for me Ammi.
Friends can really intensely disagree on one thing but the bond stays solid.
I have many political and law related arguments with many friends.

Then fully socialise with them too.

I don't break friendships either in real life or on paper.
I will never seek it or want that with said individual.

What isn't needed however, (whoever or how many it may be), are the meddling, only self appointed thinking they are mods, as interfering and unwelcome others.

As a further thought,
I agree with all you say on this thread too.
It is worrying if this was the norm, what kind of society we'd then have.
Very dismaying.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....I think for me what he did went beyond anything that could be considered reasonable force...but it worries me as to what society we live in would become if the stance was...’be prepared for a personal attack by attacking first..’....even when all the ‘apparent attacker’ has done is to approach you...we cannot live our lives in the assumption that a person/people are going to harm us...because of specific isolated incidents...being vigilant is important...but attacking and assaulting someone....no...

He did not
draw blood.

She is OK
not pressing charges.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

He did not
draw blood.

She is OK
not pressing charges.

...no she’s not pressing charges ...whether or not charges are being brought against her for entering Mansion House, is something I’m not sure...but maybe not if she doesn’t bring charges, who knows...but her being ok doesn’t change how aggressively he grabbed her...I really do hope Arista that you’re not suggesting that ‘assault’ is determined on whether blood is drawn or not...

[lime]

Originally Posted by arista

He did not
draw blood.

She is OK
not pressing charges.

When Nigel Farage had a milkshake thrown at him...there was no blood drawn,,but the judge still found it was assualt (I agree)