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user104658 · 23-06-2019, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.

But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.

Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all. It's bad enough that people want to justify his violent actions, but we also have people keen to brand him some sort of have-a-go hero? Really, really grim.

Oliver_W · 23-06-2019, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all.

Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy x

lime · 23-06-2019, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy x

Oliver if we all held opinions that he/she might be a threat we would never leave our homes.I'm starting to thing folk are terrorising themselves.

Nobody but him felt that the woman was a threat only him

user104658 · 23-06-2019, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy x

The idea that you have to be "psychic" to assess a social situation is disingenuous nonsense, too.

"How was I supposed to know that the screaming, crying person was upset tho? I'm not a psychic herpdy derpdy doo, I couldn't possibly make a guess at anyone's intentions without them being explicitly explained by that person"

lime · 23-06-2019, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all. It's bad enough that people want to justify his violent actions, but we also have people keen to brand him some sort of have-a-go hero? Really, really grim.

Ammi · 23-06-2019, 10:44 AM

....I think for me what he did went beyond anything that could be considered reasonable force...but it worries me as to what society we live in would become if the stance was...’be prepared for a personal attack by attacking first..’....even when all the ‘apparent attacker’ has done is to approach you...we cannot live our lives in the assumption that a person/people are going to harm us...because of specific isolated incidents...being vigilant is important...but attacking and assaulting someone....no...

Ammi · 23-06-2019, 10:46 AM

...Kaz and Joey...

..I know you have always had a great friendship and huge respect for each other..I hope that continues for you both..

...

joeysteele · 23-06-2019, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...Kaz and Joey...

..I know you have always had a great friendship and huge respect for each other..I hope that continues for you both..

...

It will and can for me Ammi.
Friends can really intensely disagree on one thing but the bond stays solid.
I have many political and law related arguments with many friends.

Then fully socialise with them too.

I don't break friendships either in real life or on paper.
I will never seek it or want that with said individual.

What isn't needed however, (whoever or how many it may be), are the meddling, only self appointed thinking they are mods, as interfering and unwelcome others.

As a further thought,
I agree with all you say on this thread too.
It is worrying if this was the norm, what kind of society we'd then have.
Very dismaying.

arista · 23-06-2019, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

....I think for me what he did went beyond anything that could be considered reasonable force...but it worries me as to what society we live in would become if the stance was...’be prepared for a personal attack by attacking first..’....even when all the ‘apparent attacker’ has done is to approach you...we cannot live our lives in the assumption that a person/people are going to harm us...because of specific isolated incidents...being vigilant is important...but attacking and assaulting someone....no...

He did not
draw blood.

She is OK
not pressing charges.

Ammi · 23-06-2019, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

He did not
draw blood.

She is OK
not pressing charges.

...no she’s not pressing charges ...whether or not charges are being brought against her for entering Mansion House, is something I’m not sure...but maybe not if she doesn’t bring charges, who knows...but her being ok doesn’t change how aggressively he grabbed her...I really do hope Arista that you’re not suggesting that ‘assault’ is determined on whether blood is drawn or not...

bots · 23-06-2019, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...no she’s not pressing charges ...whether or not charges are being brought against her for entering Mansion House, is something I’m not sure...but maybe not if she doesn’t bring charges, who knows...but her being ok doesn’t change how aggressively he grabbed her...I really do hope Arista that you’re not suggesting that ‘assault’ is determined on whether blood is drawn or not...

i think the seriousness of the crime is determined by the quantity of milkshake splatter