[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes The Judge got that right.

So you class a thrown milkshake as assault, but not someone using physical, aggressive force?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So you class a thrown milkshake as assault, but not someone using physical, aggressive force?

Two totally different incidents...one was an unprovoked attack, the other was something else.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Two totally different incidents...one was an unprovoked attack, the other was something else.

They were both unprovoked.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

They were both unprovoked.

Breaking into a room full of top politicians is closer to provocation than walking down a street.

[In the Drunk Tank]

I think Cherie makes some fair points. There's been a lot of flogging of the same horse on here with the milkshake comparisons and the 'if it was a Labour MP..' posts and there are certainly undertones of insults in some posts accusing members of basically being hypocrites and spiteful is not very helpful

Its just another example of how polarised we seem to be atm and respecting opposing view points seems to have gone out the window

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think Cherie makes some fair points. There's been a lot of flogging of the same horse on here with the milkshake comparisons and the 'if it was a Labour MP..' posts and there are certainly undertones of insults in some posts accusing members of basically being hypocrites and spiteful is not very helpful

Its just another example of how polarised we seem to be atm and respecting opposing view points seems to have gone out the window

Thank you, and completely agree with your last point

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think Cherie makes some fair points. There's been a lot of flogging of the same horse on here with the milkshake comparisons and the 'if it was a Labour MP..' posts and there are certainly undertones of insults in some posts accusing members of basically being hypocrites and spiteful is not very helpful

Its just another example of how polarised we seem to be atm and respecting opposing view points seems to have gone out the window

Actually I think everyone has made fair comments not just one person.

Unless you're saying her comments attacking me are the fairer ones rather than her general comments.
Since I used the word spiteful in a post it's clear where your possible leaning is in your post in that then.

I can tell you, as a strong Labour supporter on here. I have had shocking statements made as to myself personally and Labour members of wich I am one.
I don't recall you jumping in against that before.


No matter who may have done this, Conservative or Labour MP or Mickey Mouse with this woman.
To me it's indefensible.
Worrying for society and overall too.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Breaking into a room full of top politicians is closer to provocation than walking down a street.

You do of course know how protests work?


Be it Apartheid in my case ...breaking into a room of top politicicans is how it works..

You could of course put the protesters in a field in the middle of nowhere....but what would be the point of that protest?.


sad to see in 2019 the young see protest as provocation

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

the other was something else.

Yes the other was an aggressive bloke who had probably swiped a glass too many at the champagne reception grabbing a peaceful protester by the throat because he felt like she was being a bit rude interrupting his evening.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes the other was an aggressive bloke who had probably swiped a glass too many at the champagne reception grabbing a peaceful protester by the throat because he felt like she was being a bit rude interrupting his evening.

Didn't look like the throat to me...it looked like he spun her round by the shoulder..

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Didn't look like the throat to me...it looked like he spun her round by the shoulder..

Look again

[lime]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Two totally different incidents...one was an unprovoked attack, the other was something else.

really?induldge me .What was the "something else"

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So you class a thrown milkshake as assault, but not someone using physical, aggressive force?

Throwing a milkshake is assault in the eyes of the law. There is no doubt about that.

The man who used force to stop the protestor had no way of knowing what she was going to do. Security should have been all over the place and they weren't, and she was making her way to the top table. You can't just say, but she's a middle class white woman in an evening dress.... she's not a threat. I imagine there might well have been some security sackings and so should there be. If security had been on the ball she might have ended up face down on the floor with plasticuffs on.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

Throwing a milkshake is assault in the eyes of the law. There is no doubt about that.

The man who used force to stop the protestor had no way of knowing what she was going to do. Security should have been all over the place and they weren't, and she was making her way to the top table. You can't just say, but she's a middle class white woman in an evening dress.... she's not a threat. I imagine there might well have been some security sackings and so should there be. If security had been on the ball she might have ended up face down on the floor with plasticuffs on.

But Livia.She was no physical threat to anyone...The fact that he ..and nobody else thought so is on him.Perception is not a cause for assault..I Know you are a lawyer and I am not.She broke the law ..Do I think she should have ended up "Face down on the floor".NO


It's a shame that we now judge siuations after we we check who we voted for

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Throwing a milkshake is assault in the eyes of the law. There is no doubt about that.

The man who used force to stop the protestor had no way of knowing what she was going to do. Security should have been all over the place and they weren't, and she was making her way to the top table. You can't just say, but she's a middle class white woman in an evening dress.... she's not a threat. I imagine there might well have been some security sackings and so should there be. If security had been on the ball she might have ended up face down on the floor with plasticuffs on.

Have you even watched the video, Livia? You can't say it was self defense or he feared she was dangerous judging by how he acted. That's just a bull**** excuse peddled by him to try and worm his way out of trouble.

Anybody that is offended by a milkshake being thrown CANNOT explain away Mark Field manhandling a person without being a massive hypocrite, you just can't.

You can't choose when to be morally outraged when it suits, anyone who acted like Farage getting a milkshake thrown over him as an attempt on his life can't pick and choose not to take offense at this incident. That is the price to pay when you choose to use moral outrage to try to undermine someone, you have got to live and die by it, you can't pick and choose.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

H
Anybody that is offended by a milkshake being thrown CANNOT explain away Mark Field manhandling a person without being a massive hypocrite, you just can't.

Not the same.


No-one who's been milkshaked were in a place they shouldn't be, and weren't possibly a threat. She wasn't meant to be there, and could have been concealing a weapon.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Not the same.


No-one who's been milkshaked were in a place they shouldn't be, and weren't possibly a threat. She wasn't meant to be there, and could have been concealing a weapon.

Mental gymnastics in order to justify hypocrisy and nothing more.

It was a peaceful protest, there was no reason to believe that she was a danger and they wouldn't have gotten past security if they were. She's literally saying 'peaceful protest' as he throws her about.

I'm tired of the hypocritical bull****, if that was Jeremy Corbyn or a remainer or anyone else that they don't have political loyalty to, the same people who have posted on this thread justifying such a response would be out for his blood. I'm just tired of the pick and choose approach to morality that depends on who the topic is about.

If you act like throwing milkshake at someone is assault then throwing someone around when you have no grounds to is also assault. There is no ifs or buts about this, if you take offense at the milkshake then you can't try and explain this away without being hypocritical.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Not the same.


No-one who's been milkshaked were in a place they shouldn't be, and weren't possibly a threat. She wasn't meant to be there, and could have been concealing a weapon.

She "could" have been concealing a weapon?

Everyone "could" be many things. That doesn't justify assault.