[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ahh was about 15 years or so ago now. But from what friends say, it seems police still don't take DV all that seriously these days.

(Again, not saying this was a DV situation..)

Some forces operate a better line on this than others.
However you are right, there are still problems having this taken seriously.

There are cases, where someone man or woman, has been on the receiving end of total abuse.
The police cannot do anything, if both parties maintain nothing is wrong.
Even if there was, if the abused person wants nothing done, then they can't really act on that either.

I've come across cases where the denial of anything bad happening, has gone on for a long time.
Then the point is reached where it's revealed how long it's gone on, once the abused eventually reaches the point to reveal all.
It's awful and devastating.

There is this recording on this incident so it seems there's proof there was cause for concern.
Especially too after midnight.

However she seems to have been giving verbally as much as she was getting from him.
In fact we have no record of anything he is supposed to have said on the recording.

So this is more likely harmless.
Something between themselves, which would have been better toned down so no one else heard much or anything.

Again however, the usual Johnson would have bulldozed through this and likely got laughs from his Conservative supporters.
He could have put this out the way quickly.
Instead his stance is feeding rightly or wrongly, negative speculation as to the issue.

He's just not looking genuine or trustworthy on his public or private life.
I doubt this issue will go away.

It may not however harm him at all with his Conservative membership supporters.
With the Country though, it could be a small part of making things worse for the Conservatives.

Johnson is too volatile to be a trusted or effective Party leader.
Running London as Mayor is a world away from running a Country.
None of the last 3 London mayors, are Prime Ministerial quality.
Johnson also was an at best poor Foreign secretary.


This incident just adds to the doubts as to his integrity really.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Johnson is too volatile to be a trusted or effective Party leader.

Exactly this, Joey. People keep asking why any of this is relevant and pointing out that it's his "personal life" and nothing tro do with becoming PM, but it's just as you say. It's relevant because it's ANOTHER indication (on top of the mountain we already have!) that he doesn't have the temperament or dignity to be an effective or desirable leader of a country.

[bots]

Tell me this then, why is someone being volatile a bad thing? Someone that cares about things and gets emotional, to me is going to be a much better leader than a robot.

We had a robot in May, she carried on regardless of anything happening around her. Boris at least reacts to situations around him and that makes him a much better negotiator for starters. Some people will never be happy. we tried the "strong and stable" approach, where did that get us? An almighty mess, that's where

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Tell me this then, why is someone being volatile a bad thing? Someone that cares about things and gets emotional, to me is going to be a much better leader than a robot.

We had a robot in May, she carried on regardless of anything happening around her. Boris at least reacts to situations around him and that makes him a much better negotiator for starters. Some people will never be happy. we tried the "strong and stable" approach, where did that get us? An almighty mess, that's where

I think a happy medium is probably the best place. Mind, good luck finding a politician thats a good way between the two, seems they either are overly emotional, ot sociopathic, no midway

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Tell me this then, why is someone being volatile a bad thing? Someone that cares about things and gets emotional, to me is going to be a much better leader than a robot.

We had a robot in May, she carried on regardless of anything happening around her. Boris at least reacts to situations around him and that makes him a much better negotiator for starters. Some people will never be happy. we tried the "strong and stable" approach, where did that get us? An almighty mess, that's where

The idea that you need to lose control of your emotions to be a charismatic and passionate negotiator is frankly ludicrous. It's like saying that a toddler is a good negotiator when they're throwing their sippy cup at you and wiping snot on their sleeve whilst they screech for more juice.

Also the idea that in order to "not be a robot" someone has to be "volatile" is a pretty dangerous one, too. Pettiness and unpredictability are not positive character traits and they are a DISASTER in terms of leadership quality.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The idea that you need to lose control of your emotions to be a charismatic and passionate negotiator is frankly ludicrous. It's like saying that a toddler is a good negotiator when they're throwing their sippy cup at you and wiping snot on their sleeve whilst they screech for more juice.

Also the idea that in order to "not be a robot" someone has to be "volatile" is a pretty dangerous one, too. Pettiness and unpredictability are not positive character traits and they are a DISASTER in terms of leadership quality.

Absolutely correct.
Volatility in leadership is more likely to increase distrust rather than diminish it.

[bots]

i think you need characters for particular situations, and at the moment, we need someone to fire a rocket off, someone that will shake things up ... i can't stand Boris, but I think he is the right person to have in charge at this moment in time

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Tell me this then, why is someone being volatile a bad thing? Someone that cares about things and gets emotional, to me is going to be a much better leader than a robot.

We had a robot in May, she carried on regardless of anything happening around her. Boris at least reacts to situations around him and that makes him a much better negotiator for starters. Some people will never be happy. we tried the "strong and stable" approach, where did that get us? An almighty mess, that's where

Generally, when you are leading a country, you don't want to throw a tantrum like a child. We only have to look at the US to see what happens when you elect a volatile manchild to be the leader of a country.