[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I take it the Mexicans will handle the leccy bill?

Nope

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Once source for each stat, the underline parts are links you Boomer

Boomer?.... my son calls me that when he want to pee me off I'm gen X!! Ok?
I knew the links were there.. I was just making a point that the advocation of that kind of segregation was slightly right of right wing

[Marsh.]

Slightly? That's an understatement.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Boomer?.... my son calls me that when he want to pee me off I'm gen X!! Ok?

If it makes you feel better

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I was just making a point that the advocation of that kind of segregation was slightly right of right wing

Absolutely no-one has been advocating segregation, and having borders isn't inherently right wing, just like supporting immigration isn't left wing.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you have not provided any just alluded to it. expert security opinion led us into a war in Iraq

Lies by the governments on both sides of the atlantic led us into the war with Iraq, get it right. There were a lot of expert sceptics out there throughout the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Google it!! Do your own research to back up everything you're told!!



I don't think you've ever actually described the abuse which happens in the facilities? Help us understand why you think they're concentration camps?

It should be easy enough to google but since you want to be lazy... At least 6 children have died in ICE custody in roughly a year I believe? I believe before that, a child hadn't died in custody in over ten years. At least six children in a relatively small time frame, that should set off alarms, should it not?

Also, The US citizen who was falsely detained in one of these camps for three weeks confirmed reports of abuse, he wasn't allowed to shower for his entire stay and they withheld things that should have been covered in the Flores Agreement. We also know from people who have inspected the sites that the guards are abusive (they bragged about it to these inspectors no less) and that prisoners have been forced to drink out of toilets because water is otherwise withheld. Children and Pregnant women have been forced to sleep outside without cover or alternatively on the floor and families are STILL being split up for no good reason. Plus you have the whole hidden group that had thousands of ICE members posting racist memes and laughing about the abuse the people they should be caring for have suffered.

You can either accept it or deny it but all it takes is for you to actually do a google search for yourself to see it but I don't think you want to see it.

As I said before, I refuse to do research for people who will disregard it based on their agenda.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If it makes you feel better


Absolutely no-one has been advocating segregation, and having borders isn't inherently right wing, just like supporting immigration isn't left wing.

It does...
Borders and walls are not the same thing...you can have borders without walls.

[Vicky.]

Sure this was a storyline on house of cards, except the emergency fund as raided to..well help people get jobs (or/and the president stay in power, or something) rather than it pretty much literally being pissed up the wall

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sure this was a storyline on house of cards, except the emergency fund as raided to..well help people get jobs (or/and the president stay in power, or something) rather than it pretty much literally being pissed up the wall

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sure this was a storyline on house of cards, except the emergency fund as raided to..well help people get jobs (or/and the president stay in power, or something) rather than it pretty much literally being pissed up the wall

Even before the Kevin Spacey scandal, that show suffered for the fact that reality had become stranger than fiction

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Borders and walls are not the same thing...you can have borders without walls.

True, but using physical barriers to mark and maintain borders isn't akin to segregation.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

True, but using physical barriers to mark and maintain borders isn't akin to segregation.

It's literally the definition of the word.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's literally the definition of the word.

Segregation is typically used to describe separating races within the same country (like the busses), not separating different countries.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Segregation is typically used to describe separating races within the same country (like the busses), not separating different countries.

Segregation means to separate one group of people from another.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Segregation means to separate one group of people from another.

It's ok Marsh he's using the far right definition...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Segregation means to separate one group of people from another.

They're allowed to use legal routes to get from one country to another, using barriers to uphold boundaries between countries shouldn't be classes as segregation, unless we're going to say the concept of having individual countries is segregation.

[user104658]

THE ACTUAL SEA hasn't stopped illegal immigration into the uk but people are arguing blue in the face that a 18ft wall is going to obliterate immigration into the US by 99%? Its a joke. But I just can't even find it funny any more because its so ****ing sad.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

THE ACTUAL SEA hasn't stopped illegal immigration into the uk but people are arguing blue in the face that a 18ft wall is going to obliterate immigration into the US by 99%? Its a joke. But I just can't even find it funny any more because its so ****ing sad.

See the stats I posted upthread. Walls have historically worked in other countries, so if a wall was designed for that specific area, no reason it wouldn't work.

And the sea isn't much of a barrier if people keep bloody helping the illegals break in

[user104658]

You have two possibilities.

One, the whole thing is fully patrolled from end to end. Which has been confirmed to be logistically impossible in terms of cost and manpower.

Two, the whole thing isn't manned and its constantly being punched full of holes and in an endless cycle of repair for a couple of years, costing more billions, until Trump is out of office and repairs are abandonned leaving a big ol' untold-billions-of-dollars lump of metal swiss cheese running across the US-Mexico border.

Experts know this. COMMON SENSE dictates this. But nah who needs experts or common sense let's just get that bad boy up yeeeeehaaawwww show dem Mexicans whut frr.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You have two possibilities.

One, the whole thing is fully patrolled from end to end. Which has been confirmed to be logistically impossible in terms of cost and manpower.

Two, the whole thing isn't manned and its constantly being punched full of holes and in an endless cycle of repair for a couple of years, costing more billions, until Trump is out of office and repairs are abandonned leaving a big ol' untold-billions-of-dollars lump of metal swiss cheese running across the US-Mexico border.

Experts know this. COMMON SENSE dictates this. But nah who needs experts or common sense let's just get that bad boy up yeeeeehaaawwww show dem Mexicans whut frr.

Just speculation TS
Nothing more. What is your SOLUTION!
??????

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

See the stats I posted upthread. Walls have historically worked in other countries, so if a wall was designed for that specific area, no reason it wouldn't work.



And the sea isn't much of a barrier if people keep bloody helping the illegals break in

They can't realistically afford to properly man or fully maintain it even in the short term and definitely won't as soon as Trump is out. It is a colossal, if not criminal, waste of funds on a vanity project.

[Oliver_W]

Maybe instead of a wall they could do the opposite - a moat

Make it twelve feet deep, twenty feet wide, and use the dug up mud (or whatever) to build a barrier on the USA side. Fill the moat with alligators <3

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just speculation TS

Nothing more. What is your SOLUTION!

??????

I don't have a solution to global warming either LT but if someone starts saying that we should all make some ice cubes and throw them in the sea I'm going to call them a ****ing idiot.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They're allowed to use legal routes to get from one country to another, using barriers to uphold boundaries between countries shouldn't be classes as segregation, unless we're going to say the concept of having individual countries is segregation.

Barriers that serve no purpose other than a futile attempt to "keep the brown people out". Damn right it is.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Barriers that serve no purpose other than a futile attempt to "keep the brown people out". Damn right it is.

They don't have to be kept out, they just need to migrate in a normal way

It's a bit weird you're bringing skin colour into it, when that's not the issue.

We just wanna keep them out of the detention centres

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's a bit weird you're bringing skin colour into it, when that's not the issue.

Really? Because the only immigration Trump has a problem with is the migration of non-white people. To state otherwise is a lie.

Hence the only solution he has is to build a cage around Mexico.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

We just wanna keep them out of the detention centres

The fact you know this is a ridiculous comment via use of that smiley is actually sick and not funny in the slightest.