[Vicky.]

Tbh, obese people cost the NHS WAY less to begin with, given they die earlier than the rest of the population. Same with smokers.

Being 'healthy' and aging to 100 or something costs a ridiculous amount..given theres generally 24/7 care required by that point. Obese people and smokers are not the drain on the NHS that people think they are. Even if they get gastric bands or whatever..they still cost much much less than someone who lives a healthy life.

[bots]

he has an appropriate name

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he has an appropriate name

I thought that at the time Bots.x

[chuff me dizzy]

Absolutely disgusting what next ........ Drinkers, smokers, druggies ,children with special needs ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Absolutely disgusting what next ........ Drinkers, smokers, druggies ,children with special needs ?

How are children with special needs the same as drinkers, smokers, druggies and obese. You listed life choices, a child with special needs didn't inflict it on themselves.

Not that I agree anyone should be left without help to rot and die but pointing out the difference.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Tbh, obese people cost the NHS WAY less to begin with, given they die earlier than the rest of the population. Same with smokers.

Being 'healthy' and aging to 100 or something costs a ridiculous amount..given theres generally 24/7 care required by that point. Obese people and smokers are not the drain on the NHS that people think they are. Even if they get gastric bands or whatever..they still cost much much less than someone who lives a healthy life.

But, comparatively, you have someone who is not in hospital much of their life, paying taxes and then requiring NHS help later on in life.

Compared to someone who has health complications due to lifestyle choices in and out of hospital throughout their short time and not paying as much into the system in their shorter life but requiring a lot out of it.

I don't think one is the "drain" really it's more swings and roundabouts.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But, comparatively, you have someone who is not in hospital much of their life, paying taxes and then requiring NHS help later on in life.

Compared to someone who has health complications due to lifestyle choices in and out of hospital throughout their short time and not paying as much into the system in their shorter life but requiring a lot out of it.

I don't think one is the "drain" really it's more swings and roundabouts.

Maybe. I would think a hell of a lot of obese people/smokers work too and pay in all their lives.

Also quite sure that even multiple operations..costs less than 24/7 care even for a few years, when in reality it can be up to..well indefinitely.

Might even itself out a bit. Yet people will still continue to believe that they cost a fortune. When its very possible they cost less, and if not, then its likely to be equal with others anyway.

Ideas gross though, of course.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maybe. I would think a hell of a lot of obese people/smokers work too and pay in all their lives.

Also quite sure that even multiple operations..costs less than 24/7 care even for a few years, when in reality it can be up to..well indefinitely.

Might even itself out a bit. Yet people will still continue to believe that they cost a fortune. When its very possible they cost less, and if not, then its likely to be equal with others anyway.

Ideas gross though, of course.

Oh I wasn't suggesting obese people don't work.

I was referring to the side of the argument regarding shorter life vs longer life. On one side you have a longer life of paying into the system and taking nothing out until the (relative) end. A healhy life can lead to a healthy old age where they only need assistance rather than always requiring round the clock care and the opposite of a much shorter life (therefore less years of paying in) and using much more of the resources in that shorter time.

The much older person has probably paid for their care in spades over that longer life but the shorter lived one probably not.

But, yeah, either way gross to just leave anyone to die and ai agree it's the causes of obesity and addiction etc that needs to be looked at.

[Ammi]

...obesity/eating disorders etc can be carried from childhood to adulthood...so he’s suggesting that it’s a child’s choice and a child’s weakness and a child’s responsibility...?...it’s very difficult for someone to change typical behaviour...so that’s where the NHS help is needed...

[bots]

The context seems to be saving the NHS some money, and I would suggest that there are many savings we could make before resorting to leaving people to die