[Twosugars]

Kazanne stop parrotting silly terms like "surrender document"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

these 2 hardcore brexiteer girls again bashing Boris, they demand a no deal

Yes the Brexit Bitches
they have no power

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So let's get this straight if it's possible to find a policy with all the Labour U turns. For all his career Corbyn has been vehemently opposed to the EU, now he wants to remain in it. For the last three to four years Corbyn has been calling for a General Election and now they get their chance they don't want one. They wanted a deal and yet voted against the May surrender document, three times.

Lets talk U turns; Johnson and JRM both voted for and against Mays deal. Is that a U turn?

Mays deal didn't pass because of the far right in the tory party (ERG). It's not labours responsibility.

Beware of any politician that never changes their mind, because it shows you it's ideology rather than evidence that moves them.

Why is your anger at a party in the minority rather than the people who lied to you? It really doesn't make any sense, Kaz.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if there were an election we are in completely uncharted territory. No-one trusts the tories or labour to run the country, the lib dems, the greens etc have been completely ineffective.

If there is no brexit before the election, the brexit party will stand and will get a sizeable chunk of votes. We have no idea how an election would turn out and what side of the argument would prevail. My feeling is it will be split pretty evenly again no matter what arguments came up in the runup. People are entrenched in their beliefs, there wont be any undecided voters. If it achieves anything short term, the problem won't go away whichever way it drops

Yes
Pro Brexit you Vote Conservative


A Referendum you Vote Labour
who once in power , they say you get a Another Vote


Thats simple

[arista]

[Nicky91]

Conservatives fooked up


and Corbyn has been consistent in his views regarding all of this brexit chaotic mess


and slim's right, this isn't labour's responsibility at all so far to handle brexit, it's been up to these conservatives who don't know what they want


and if i remember correctly, johnson, JRM were first for may's deal, and then suddenly a U-Turn against her deal and been against her all that time to work her out as PM

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's not really a conundrum.

If you're in Scotland vote SNP, so if this crazy government wins again, you can get yourselves out of the UK and back into the EU, or if you're in England you vote labour. The so-called liberal democrats supported and backed all of the worst tory policies, from austerity, to fracking, to bedroom tax; all propped up by the lib dems.

Don't let the media lies about Corbyn fool you.

sorry I dont trust someone who has been anti Europe since the 70s, and who has flip flopped in his views over leaving..... I think all he wants is power

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Conservatives fooked up


and Corbyn has been consistent in his views regarding all of this brexit chaotic mess


and slim's right, this isn't labour's responsibility at all so far to handle brexit, it's been up to these conservatives who don't know what they want


and if i remember correctly, johnson, JRM were first for may's deal, and then suddenly a U-Turn against her deal and been against her all that time to work her out as PM

no he hasn't, he wouldn't commit to a peoples vote for fear of upsetting the Labour leave voters .....

also Labour voted against Mrs Mays deal time and time again......soooooooo

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes
Pro Brexit you Vote Conservative


A Referendum you Vote Labour
who once in power , they say you get a Another Vote


Thats simple

Once in power they can do what they like, I don't trust any of them at this stage

[arista]

[Liam-]

**** it, I’m voting for Larry

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Once in power they can do what they like, I don't trust any of them at this stage

That understandable


Labour will set up a Referendum
once you Elect them.
That's their Selling Line


Conservative are Leaving the EU
by all means

[Daniel-X]

Oh how LOVELY this has all been eh, we have to celebrate

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What angered me the most was mogg saying that the bill was unconstitutional while he and his cronies treated the HoC with utter contempt. Him sprawled disinterested across the seats was not a good advert for the cabinets position and I think he will live to regret it

Everyone should be angered by his attitude whatever side you are on, I do hope this is his Mrs May moment, hope he loses his seat

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

**** it, I’m voting for Larry

Larry would probably do a better job, and if he joins forces with the new Downing street dog, who knows what can be achieved

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

sorry I dont trust someone who has been anti Europe since the 70s, and who has flip flopped in his views over leaving..... I think all he wants is power

Even if you don't trust Corbyn on Europe, and I get why you wouldn't, you have to accept there's no way he'd crash us out without a deal.

Even after last night, Johnson is still trying to do it. They've tabled 86 amendments so that even if the bill does pass tonight, they're trying to make sure it can't pass the house of lords by Monday when prorogation kicks in.

The tories/brexiters have turned their party into a death cult.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Even if you don't trust Corbyn on Europe, and I get why you wouldn't, you have to accept there's no way he'd crash us out without a deal.

Even after last night, Johnson is still trying to do it. They've tabled 86 amendments so that even if the bill does pass tonight, they're trying to make sure it can't pass the house of lords by Monday when prorogation kicks in.

The tories/brexiters have turned their party into a death cult.

would he not though, I just don't know, trust is something I am not associating with any side at the moment, as soon as Boris was elected, all parties should have been calling for a cancellation of the recess..... it makes no sense to me why they swanned off for 6 weeks during this crucial period...its not like they didn't know they had a deadline to meet OR that Boris would be machinating behind the scenes

[Denver]

Seems like Corbyn no longer was an election

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

would he not though, I just don't know, trust is something I am not associating with any side at the moment, as soon as Boris was elected, all parties should have been calling for a cancellation of the recess..... it makes no sense to me why they swanned off for 6 weeks during this crucial period...its not like they didn't know they had a deadline to meet OR that Boris would be machinating behind the scenes

Because we don't have a written constitution, parliament has always required there is good faith across all parties to not act the way Johnson has. I don't think anyone can be blamed for what Johnson has done.

No way Corbyn would be allowed by labour to crash out without a deal even if he wanted to (he doesn't). We've seen how all the brexit cultists in the tory party haven't been able to get past their own party, nevermind getting past (what could be) a labour gov, or a labour/snp/lib dem coalition. It just doesn't make any logical sense.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Seems like Corbyn no longer was an election

He wants an election, he just wants to make sure Boris can't use this to crash us out with a no deal beforehand.

Once the deal is sorted, he'll happily confirm the election.

Do you read the sun, WSM?

[Twosugars]

Tbh 1.9% majority gives a flimsy mandate for a soft brexit at best, any more is lies

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He wants an election, he just wants to make sure Boris can't use this to crash us out with a no deal beforehand.

Once the deal is sorted, he'll happily confirm the election.

Do you read the sun, WSM?

Yes all media state that
Correct Slim.

[joeysteele]

IIt is as always has been post war under this first past the post voting system.

If voters don't want the Cons in only Labour can beat them at present.

If you don't want Labour then only the Cons can beat them to be the governing party.

So if voters support the humiliating policies of the Cons to the sick and disabled, have not a single concern for the NHS under them.
Also want the most extreme of brexit, even no deal then it's clear the Cons get your vote.

If the hope is for a softer more conciliatory brexit and the domestic policies of Labour then to stop the Cons, voting anything else than Labour, will leave the Cons in government or the largest party.

The Lib Dems would need to get to the 30s as a percentage.
Then have the Cons under 30% and Labour well down in the 20s as a percentage, just for them to get to maybe have the most seats.

Of course Corbyn would never be allowed by the whole Labour movement to leave with no deal.

He would have to hold a referendum that even included remain on it, if he held one even on any deal.
If the conference voted for that.

If under this daft voting syste in an election you ended up with the Cons on 35% to 38%.
Labour on the mid 20s, the Lib Dems on the mid 20s.
You have this madness of then the Cons winning with an overall majority because of split votes.

If you're happy with this PM and government fine.
That's what you'll get.
If you want this PM and government clipped of power.
Really only Labour, love or hate it, can defeat the Cons in a general election.

This election system is bonkers.
It's time for PR, in fact it's long overdue in my own view anyway.

[Niamh.]

Teresa May suddenly doesn't look so bad ..........