[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

That's not true. There was very little difference during the last vote, and since then there have been 3.5 years of pro EU voters joining the electorate. The longer it takes to resolve the issue, the more likely it is to be quashed

You know that the new voters are pro EU, because?

It's like you're telling me that young people are being programmed to become EU storm troopers. You're not telling me this are you?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

You know that the new voters are pro EU, because?

It's like you're telling me that young people are being programmed to become EU storm troopers. You're not telling me this are you?

Bc the young are the most pro eu age group
They haven't been programmed by decades of reading Murdoch propaganda

[Denver]

So Boris has lawfully shut down parliament And appeals against it has been rejected

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

So Boris has lawfully shut down parliament And appeals against it has been rejected

Going to the supreme court on the 17th. The issue is not whether he has the power to do it, but the fact he lied about his reasons and misled the public/parliament purposefully.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

You know that the new voters are pro EU, because?

It's like you're telling me that young people are being programmed to become EU storm troopers. You're not telling me this are you?

I can't speak for all young new voters obviously but all the experts claim the vast majority of them are more forward looking to the World and more pro EU.

However just in my family, of the 20+ in number, just in my family who have reached voting age..

Only 2 would either not vote in a referendum or if they did vote to leave.
All the rest are pro remain.

However none will vote Conservative.
Most would vote Lib Dem the rest Labour.
Mine overall was a family of Conservative orientated set of voters up to 2012 too.

So just in my family, the change is strong.

Of course I'm sure others may have examples the other way.
I am just speaking of the knowledge I have from my own family.

I think it was made clear however that younger voters strongly voted remain.
With more older voters voting leave.
That seems the general post referendum analysis.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can't speak for all young new voters obviously but all the experts claim the vast majority of them are more forward looking to the World and more pro EU.

However just in my family, of the 20+ in number, just in my family who have reached voting age..

Only 2 would either not vote in a referendum or if they did vote to leave.
All the rest are pro remain.

However none will vote Conservative.
Most would vote Lib Dem the rest Labour.
Mine overall was a family of Conservative orientated set of voters up to 2012 too.

So just in my family, the change is strong.

Of course I'm sure others may have examples the other way.
I am just speaking of the knowledge I have from my own family.

I think it was made clear however that younger voters strongly voted remain.
With more older voters voting leave.
That seems the general post referendum analysis.

The top part joey....

Im watching the morning news and it's live from a large factory that employs am lot of youngsters. ..they are all saying they want out.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The top part joey....

Im watching the morning news and it's live from a large factory that employs am lot of youngsters. ..they are all saying they want out.

Which is why I pointed out I can't speak for all obviously.

They could go to another factory and find all saying the opposite.


Which is why too, near the end of my post I fully conceded others may have opposite experiences to mine as to my own family.

What I hear from my family, I have found when canvassing too.

I'm always more leaning to what people say in person alone to me.
Rather than in a factory publicly stating a possible opposite view to their bosses.

It's why I think a referendum, not an election is best now, although I've changed my mind on a new referendum in the last ,6 months.
I'd only have 2 choices again.
This time leave with no deal, or remain.

Seems simple enough to me and breaks the deadlock with the answer.

If those who voted leave in 2016, REALLY were happy with a no deal.
Then they'd vote leave again.
I don't see the problem then.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Which is why I pointed out I can't speak for all obviously.

They could go to another factory and find all saying the opposite.


Which is why too, near the end of my post I fully conceded others may have opposite experiences to mine as to my own family.

What I hear from my family, I have found when canvassing too.

I'm always more leaning to what people say in person alone to me.
Rather than in a factory publicly stating a possible opposite view to their bosses.

It's why I think a referendum, not an election is best now, although I've changed my mind on a new referendum in the last ,6 months.
I'd only have 2 choices again.
This time leave with no deal, or remain.

Seems simple enough to me and breaks the deadlock with the answer.

If those who voted leave in 2016, REALLY were happy with a no deal.
Then they'd vote leave again.
I don't see the problem then.

Young factory workers wanting brexit are analogous to turkeys voting for christmas.

They will do anything to avoid another referendum. JRM was asked about a 2nd referendum the other day and he said "we can't do that because the result would be overturned". They know they'd struggle to pull the wool over a majority of eyes for a 2nd time, and his ability to avoid paying tax is far more important than young factory workers being employed in 5 years time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Young factory workers wanting brexit are analogous to turkeys voting for christmas.

All I want for Christmaaaaassss iiiiii-iiii-iiiiiissss...

My job outsourced to a developing economy as part of a suboptimal post-Brexit trade deal.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All I want for Christmaaaaassss iiiiii-iiii-iiiiiissss...

My job outsourced to a developing economy as part of a suboptimal post-Brexit trade deal.

I don't want a lot this christmas...


that's fortunate because you'll be unemployed soon, so best keep the costs down, ey?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Young factory workers wanting brexit are analogous to turkeys voting for christmas.

They will do anything to avoid another referendum. JRM was asked about a 2nd referendum the other day and he said "we can't do that because the result would be overturned". They know they'd struggle to pull the wool over a majority of eyes for a 2nd time, and his ability to avoid paying tax is far more important than young factory workers being employed in 5 years time.

I agree with all you say.
Nothing to add.
In fact all your posts are very strong and reasoned on this issue I have to say.

[bots]

This from the official Conservatives twitter .... this is what we are going to get if there is an election

[The Slim Reaper]

Serious conservatives, the traditional law and order party complete their transformation into the reddit-esque memes and trump nationalist party.

I know the corbyn haters will laugh, but you should want ideas and leadership, not this bs.

[Scarlett.]

The funniest thing has got to be, whenever Boris loses, the Ł goes up in value. Says it all really.

[Kazanne]

No wonder people get confused ,these people don't know what they are doing themselves,lol
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...l-then-reject/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This from the official Conservatives twitter .... this is what we are going to get if there is an election

The right are terrible at memes, it is known. Boomer humour is just juvenile and devoid of wit.

[arista]

Johnson is not going to
do a Extension.
He is not going to resign.

Corbyn will want to take over
Upsetting the LibDems.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No wonder people get confused ,these people don't know what they are doing themselves,lol
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...l-then-reject/

There's nothing confusing nor contradictory about this at all, though.

They would try to negotiate as good a deal as possible as a "safety net", but the best trade deal possible, is what we already have as full members of the EU. We already have the best possible deal. So we should try to keep it - but have a half decent backup plan if that's not possible.

[arista]

Take it Away Cummings and Johnson PM

[arista]

But he does want a Election
after the Group with Labour
force a Brexit 3 month Extension.
Unless you Johnson PM have a plan out of this?

[Twosugars]

Lords have approved the bill to disallow no deal

[Liam-]

Even chicken shops are wrecking the Tories, how embarrassing

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Lords have approved the bill to disallow no deal

Johnson PM does not Care
he is going in person to Brussels
to set up a new deal, to leave on time
I do hope Cummings goes with him.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Bc the young are the most pro eu age group
They haven't been programmed by decades of reading Murdoch propaganda

Yes, I understand what the headline is, but tell me the meat of the argument, how do you know that young people are the most pro EU? Have you asked every single one of them?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can't speak for all young new voters obviously but all the experts claim the vast majority of them are more forward looking to the World and more pro EU.

However just in my family, of the 20+ in number, just in my family who have reached voting age..

Only 2 would either not vote in a referendum or if they did vote to leave.
All the rest are pro remain.

However none will vote Conservative.
Most would vote Lib Dem the rest Labour.
Mine overall was a family of Conservative orientated set of voters up to 2012 too.

So just in my family, the change is strong.

Of course I'm sure others may have examples the other way.
I am just speaking of the knowledge I have from my own family.

I think it was made clear however that younger voters strongly voted remain.
With more older voters voting leave.
That seems the general post referendum analysis.

All the experts claimed Remain was going to win the Referendum, so you can't go by experts.