[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually that is a really scary and worrying statement.

So taking control back is to actually legitimize breaking laws to get ones own way in power.

That's the even welcomed legacy of the leave process by even just some who wanted to leave.

As Ammi has said, democracy being killed off.

It is, by the more extreme and worrying elements of those subscribing to leave in any way, at any cost.
Disgraceful.

There was a poll taken yesterday and 52% of those that voted for brexit supported Boris breaking the law to achieve it. Couldn't make it up

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually that is a really scary and worrying statement.

So taking control back is to actually legitimize breaking laws to get ones own way in power.

That's the even welcomed legacy of the leave process by even just some who wanted to leave.

As Ammi has said, democracy being killed off.

It is, by the more extreme and worrying elements of those subscribing to leave in any way, at any cost.
Disgraceful.

At this point we're basically at war with the Political establishment. You should be more worried that they're no longer listening to us and carrying out our will.

The rules change during war.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

At this point we're basically at war with the Political establishment. You should be more worried that they're no longer listening to us and carrying out our will.

The rules change during war.

We're back here again. They listened, and have tried to deliver a brexit that wouldn't cripple the economy, and peoples lives. They can't.

No one is at war; whatever happens with brexit, we're going to all need to move on together at some point.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

The rules change during war.

At this point you're becoming a bit of an extremist, Alf. The language of "war" over Brexit?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

We're back here again. They listened, and have tried to deliver a brexit that wouldn't cripple the economy, and peoples lives. They can't.

No one is at war; whatever happens with brexit, we're going to all need to move on together at some point.

It was their duty and their promise to take us out of the EU on March 31st, it's now September. Our votes mean nothing to them.

Absolutely no proof whatsoever that it would cripple the economy, it's a defeatist belief, and the ones that push this fairytale just happen to be the ones who want to keep chained to the EU monster, how fitting.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

At this point you're becoming a bit of an extremist, Alf. The language of "war" over Brexit?

I could be a submissive if you want, and just accept that mine and your vote means nothing anymore.

[MTVN]

The great coup of 2019 in which Parliament lost 4 days of sitting but still managed to block no deal, reject an election twice and demand that civil servants publish personal messages

What a tyranny Boris is presiding over

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

It was their duty and their promise to take us out of the EU on March 31st, it's now September. Our votes mean nothing to them.

Absolutely no proof whatsoever that it would cripple the economy, it's a defeatist belief, and the ones that push this fairytale just happen to be the ones who want to keep chained to the EU monster, how fitting.

The referendum was advisory, and a deal was the promised.

Well, the brexit government believe it would be bad for us, which is why they're fighting to keep the yellowhammer report secret.

Unless you are claiming that cummings and Johnson are also remainers now?

Chained to the eu monster where we already have the ability to curb immigration and give more money to NI every year than Brussels.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The great coup of 2019 in which Parliament lost 4 days of sitting but still managed to block no deal, reject an election twice and demand that civil servants publish personal messages

What a tyranny Boris is presiding over

That's surely a bit simplistic, no?

They had to rush these things through because of the actions that johnson took, and were also only able to do this, because johnson removed people who weren't purist enough for him.

Does that not even worry you in the slightest?

[arista]

The Gov is not bringing Parliament Back
as this weekend The LibDem start their Conference.


So this Scottish Court took to long.

We are still to leave on on October 31st
as well.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

The Gov is not bringing Parliament Back
as this weekend The LibDem start their Conference.


So this Scottish Court took to long.

We are still to leave on on October 31st
as well.

How, when that would be against the law if he can't get a deal?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How, when that would be against the law if he can't get a deal?

But he is getting a New Deal
by October 19th.



Dominic Cummings and Johnson PM
are working hard.

[arista]

[arista]

Scotland to Northern Ireland


How Nice

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's surely a bit simplistic, no?

They had to rush these things through because of the actions that johnson took, and were also only able to do this, because johnson removed people who weren't purist enough for him.

Does that not even worry you in the slightest?

Not really because I think it's been blown out of all proportion. Talk of democracy being killed off is so far wide of the mark at a time when Parliament has exercised more control than ever and has assumed far greater powers on things that used to be within the remit of the executive

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There was a poll taken yesterday and 52% of those that voted for brexit supported Boris breaking the law to achieve it. Couldn't make it up

Dead right.

I'll take things as they were any day than this new democracy, when it suits, from what that poll, says most leavers.

[Twosugars]

Lol I'd wait with that bridge until indyref2

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not really because I think it's been blown out of all proportion. Talk of democracy being killed off is so far wide of the mark at a time when Parliament has exercised more control than ever and has assumed far greater powers on things that used to be within the remit of the executive

it was an attempt to subvert democracy. I think the fact that it didn't achieve its aims does not excuse it

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it was an attempt to subvert democracy. I think the fact that it didn't achieve its aims does not excuse it

Depends. People's idea of what is and isn't 'democracy' seems very different than it used to be when Parliament had nothing like the power that it has exercised in the last few years. It wouldn't be hard to argue that a parliament that forces through a policy without allowing itself to be tested by the electorate is also an attempt to subvert democracy

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Lol I'd wait with that bridge until indyref2

That's only if Labour Win the
next General Election.
as they have said 9 months after they
will have a Referendum

[Beso]

The irish border will be in the irish sea, we shall leave when this is finalised.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Depends. People's idea of what is and isn't 'democracy' seems very different than it used to be when Parliament had nothing like the power that it has exercised in the last few years. It wouldn't be hard to argue that a parliament that forces through a policy without allowing itself to be tested by the electorate is also an attempt to subvert democracy

Parliament has always had these powers, which is what made the "EU masters telling us what to do" line particularly cynical. What are your actual views on the whole topic? I'm asking because you're interesting to me on this subject; I'm pretty sure you were a remainer but saw the pluses/minuses of both arguments, and yet I've only ever read you supporting the shenanigans and jiggery pokery of the leave side.

Not being facetious or accusatory, I just don't have any idea where you actually stand on the issue, so just trying work it out in my own head.

[arista]

[Twosugars]

Well the're not lying Arista.
It must have been taken at the start of brexit and our government has wasted not two years as they say here but over 3 already.
Then transition while the new FTA is worked out.
Let's see how long it will take with the US shall we

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

That's taken from the behind the scenes documentary programme....believe me, that's actually a rather mild clip compared to others in the show.