[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Withano

The ****ing hilarious part is that people voted for this government because they were told they were strong and stable. And people are still listening to their words as if they mean a single jot.

There is this classic tweet from Cameron in 2015

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the problem with this whole brexit debacle is that each side is personally insulting the other. It's a simple difference of opinion, and people do not need to justify or be pigeon holed in having that opinion, that is not how democracy works.

People have a difference of opinion, each side should accept it. Any close result is going to be contested, that again is democracy. The whole thing is just getting childish and silly. I am ashamed to be British at the moment, and it's not a good feeling

Enlightened centrism will get us nowhere and false equivalency just paints an equally false picture of what's going on.

This isn't a matter of opinion. There are reports by the government themselves that warn of the likely scenarios of no brexit and so far they've only been made to release the 'not-so-bad outcomes and they're still terrifying. We've been told by experts for years what will happen if Brexit is badly happened and Gove told the cult of Brexit to not pay attention to experts that told them things they didn't want to hear. If all the impartial sources are telling you the same thing, you listen.

Brexiters are willing to drive us all off a cliff just to 'own the remainers' and to feel a sense of victory. They are willing to cut their noses to spite us all, they are beyond reason and I should know because I am surrounded by them on a daily basis, Brexiters don't know what they pulling for because they aren't willing to listen to anything that doesn't please their delicate sensibilities. They think the grass will be greener on the other side despite the facts because they won't hear them.

To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy.

Ideally this whole nightmare will end with a compromise, leaving with a deal but the hardcore brexiters that want to doom us all out of spite will make that impossible.

Trying to make out that both sides are as bad as each other is a waste of time.

[arista]

"To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy."


You telling me the PM is Bonkers?
Dezzy

You have Marxist Corbyn
or Johnson in next General election
soon.


As for the LibDems
they are busy being Fluffy
and never to be in power.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by arista

You telling me the PM is Bonkers?

Yes

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Enlightened centrism will get us nowhere and false equivalency just paints an equally false picture of what's going on.

This isn't a matter of opinion. There are reports by the government themselves that warn of the likely scenarios of no brexit and so far they've only been made to release the 'not-so-bad outcomes and they're still terrifying. We've been told by experts for years what will happen if Brexit is badly happened and Gove told the cult of Brexit to not pay attention to experts that told them things they didn't want to hear. If all the impartial sources are telling you the same thing, you listen.

Brexiters are willing to drive us all off a cliff just to 'own the remainers' and to feel a sense of victory. They are willing to cut their noses to spite us all, they are beyond reason and I should know because I am surrounded by them on a daily basis, Brexiters don't know what they pulling for because they aren't willing to listen to anything that doesn't please their delicate sensibilities. They think the grass will be greener on the other side despite the facts because they won't hear them.

To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy.

Ideally this whole nightmare will end with a compromise, leaving with a deal but the hardcore brexiters that want to doom us all out of spite will make that impossible.

Trying to make out that both sides are as bad as each other is a waste of time.

Peoples decision on whether to choose to leave or remain is an opinion that they are allowed to have without justification. That's the point people are missing. Facts highlighted are used to further a particular argument one way or another. People are really missing the point of democracy, people do not need to justify their decision else it wouldn't be democracy.

So, its not a matter about one side being right or another wrong, it is a democratic right to hold an opinion and not be chastised for doing so

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Yes

He is not.
He has a Clever Adviser
Dominic Cummings.

The World will carry on , after Brexit.

[arista]

Rumors a 2nd prorogue
could happen just before the 31st

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Peoples decision on whether to choose to leave or remain is an opinion that they are allowed to have without justification. That's the point people are missing. Facts highlighted are used to further a particular argument one way or another. People are really missing the point of democracy, people do not need to justify their decision else it wouldn't be democracy.

So, its not a matter about one side being right or another wrong, it is a democratic right to hold an opinion and not be chastised for doing so

Bull****. Freedom of speech gives us all a right to an opinion but it does not make that opinion or us beyond reproach. Brexiters are allowed their opinion and I'm allowed to call them out on their utter insanity. That is how freedom of speech works, it is a two way street.

If a decision impacts everyone you can't call any outcry against that decision undemocratic, what you are arguing for is actually really ****ing undemocratic since you're essentially are arguing for silencing the opposition through centrism and false equivalency.

Your centrism in this issue is nothing more than wilful blindness.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

"To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy."


You telling me the PM is Bonkers?
Dezzy

You have Marxist Corbyn
or Johnson in next General election
soon. You've highlighted why Brexiters are so insane here, any criticism and it's instant 'CORBYN THIS, CORBYN THAT'


As for the LibDems
they are busy being Fluffy
and never to be in power.

Don't be so sure about the Lib Dems, they are pretty much the de-facto remain party and unlike Leave which has been split by the Tories and Brexit, remainers who wish to undo brexit only have one party to vote for. Don't be surprised if Lib Dems potentially take it all in an election.

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Don't be so sure about the Lib Dems, they are pretty much the de-facto remain party and unlike Leave which has been split by the Tories and Brexit, remainers who wish to undo brexit only have one party to vote for. Don't be surprised if Lib Dems potentially take it all in an election.

Yes but many Voters want
The Corbyn Plan
after he gets Elected
a New Referendum With Remain
or New Labour Plan Leave.


LibDems are Revoke to try and get voters
but no power as , not enough MP's

So they are Fighting the Brexit Party.


And Taken from LibDem Thread:

[This was spoke about on Radio 4 AM
a few days ago
and Jo is getting Angry
that rushed TV debates on Sky , ITV and the BBC
will Exclude the small party LibDems
The Main Two are Johnson & Corbyn. ]

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by arista

Rumors a 2nd prorogue
could happen just before the 31st

No way that would be allowed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dia.

No way that would be allowed

We will see.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

We will see.

Does it not give you any pause the way you cheer on law breaking for the tories, and yet you act like a tough guy on any other crime?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Does it not give you any pause the way you cheer on law breaking for the tories, and yet you act like a tough guy on any other crime?

Stop Over reading things.
Law Breaking - No

[Kizzy]

I agree 100% with Ash Sarkar here I believe the govt is trying to create a parliament v the people narrative, the media narrative by the hardliners is very divisive.
Do I think they'll succeed? Thankfully no there are many stupid people in the UK but thankfully not that many.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Stop Over reading things.
Law Breaking - No

They're the words you're writing down, my friend.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I agree 100% with Ash Sarkar here I believe the govt is trying to create a parliament v the people narrative, the media narrative by the hardliners is very divisive.
Do I think they'll succeed? Thankfully no there are many stupid people in the UK but thankfully not that many.

Yes Ash is Very Clever
I watch everyone viewpoints

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

"To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy."


You telling me the PM is Bonkers?
Dezzy

You have Marxist Corbyn
or Johnson in next General election
soon.


As for the LibDems
they are busy being Fluffy
and never to be in power.

What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?

Originally Posted by arista

We will see.

So this is the master plan?
It will not happen

[arista]

"So this is the master plan?"


No that is Not the master plan
it is just a rumor

[arista]

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

Socialist not marxist
We've gone too far to the right. A course correction is in order

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently

People change their minds,we were always labour voters until Blair.