[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

So now it's been found unlawful, can Boris just recall Parliament and prorogue it again?

Does this prorogation being found unlawful stop him from proroguing again?

nobody needs bojo to recall parliament

the supreme court said the speaker will do that

[Alf]

I say let's have a General election and let's sort all this mess out.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

No

you have no say

you're not an MP

you work in the City, remember?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

I say let's have a General election and let's sort all this mess out.

Opposition will not give him elections before the brexit deadline

They don't trust him not to take us out without a deal on the sly

he is a liar
and now he made queen look a fool

[The Slim Reaper]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Opposition will not give him elections before the brexit deadline

They don't trust him not to take us out without a deal on the sly

he is a liar
and now he made queen look a fool

That's fine. We're obviously not leaving now on the 31st of October. Boris is now probably going to have to go to the EU and ask for an extention.

So we'll do the election in November, but whenever it is, this entire Parliament needs kicking out, it's not fit for purpose.

[Braden]

Michelle Fowler has popped. off.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's fine. We're obviously not leaving now on the 31st of October. Boris is now probably going to have to go to the EU and ask for an extention.

So we'll do the election in November, but whenever it is, this entire Parliament needs kicking out, it's not fit for purpose.

Need another referendum before the next GE. Too many shenanigans and hocus pocus going on to trust this government with anything. The next government needs a deal/no deal/remain mandate before taking office. Not even brexiteers are talking about the same things anymore so this has to be addressed first.

[The Slim Reaper]

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

how nice

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Need another referendum before the next GE. Too many shenanigans and hocus pocus going on to trust this government with anything. The next government needs a deal/no deal/remain mandate before taking office. Not even brexiteers are talking about the same things anymore so this has to be addressed first.

Another referendum is impossible, because now the leave side can just not accept the vote if it lost, it'll just call it 1-1. Progress can not be made until we just leave the EU, as the people instructed them to do.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

you have no say

you're not an MP

you work in the City, remember?

Correct I am not a MP
but Conservative Cabinet members are not going on air
instructions from their head office.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Another referendum is impossible, because now the leave side can just not accept the vote if it lost, it'll just call it 1-1. Progress can not be made until we just leave the EU, as the people instructed them to do.

Leave won narrowly promising a deal

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Another referendum is impossible, because now the leave side can just not accept the vote if it lost, it'll just call it 1-1. Progress can not be made until we just leave the EU, as the people instructed them to do.

Farage said you'd win the referendum by a bigger margin if there was a 2nd one, so this should be a formality. We can't end up back in a position where any PM is trying to force us out on a no deal. It's not what you voted for, it's not what Arista voted for, or any other person that was promised a deal in the campaign.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Leave won narrowly promising a deal

The people were asked if they'd like to remain or leave the EU, nothing about any deal. The people decided to leave the EU. That was over 3 years ago. They're the facts, everything else is a side show.

By trying to make my vote meaningless, you're also trying to make your own vote meaningless, and everybody else's vote.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

The people were asked if they'd like to remain or leave the EU, nothing about any deal. The people decided to leave the EU. That was over 3 years ago. They're the facts, everything else is a side show.

By trying to make my vote meaningless, you're also trying to make your own vote meaningless, and everybody else's vote.

Leaving without a deal was ridiculed as project fear. All the campaigners told us of this magnificent deal waiting for us. No deal should not be allowed to happen unless the public now say that's what they want.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

The people were asked if they'd like to remain or leave the EU, nothing about any deal. The people decided to leave the EU. That was over 3 years ago. They're the facts, everything else is a side show.

By trying to make my vote meaningless, you're also trying to make your own vote meaningless, and everybody else's vote.

The leave campaign promised a deal

I appreciate this promise has turned out to be a lie, like everything else they said.

That means people voted leave based on a false prospectus

All the more reason to rerun the referendum

[Twosugars]

“It is for parliament, and in particular the Speaker and the Lord Speaker, to decide what to do next. Unless there is some parliamentary rule of which we are unaware, they can take immediate steps to enable each house to meet as soon as possible. It is not clear to us that any step is needed from the prime minister, but if it is, the court is pleased that his counsel have told the court that he will take all necessary steps to comply with the terms of any declaration made by this court.”

Said lady Hale.
No role for the lying clown in bringing back parliament.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Leaving without a deal was ridiculed as project fear. All the campaigners told us of this magnificent deal waiting for us. No deal should not be allowed to happen unless the public now say that's what they want.

I don't care what all the politicians, experts, TV presenters, campaigners told us, it means nothing. The people spoke and that's all that matters, they gave the answer to the question asked of them. We should be out by now.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

I don't care what all the politicians, experts, TV presenters, campaigners told us, it means nothing. The people spoke and that's all that matters, they gave the answer to the question asked of them. We should be out by now.

TBH I don't necessarily disagree that we should be out by now - we should have had a deal negotiated over a year ago, and have been out with trade routes already established in March. It would have been economically damaging, it would have eroded our place on the world stage, but it wouldn't have been a disaster.

But it was grossly mishandled and still NOTHING is in place. The answer to this is not just to "crash out anyway lol". So we're not talking about whether or not we should be out already... we're talking about a sensible path forwards that doesn't end in potential disaster for the entire country.

[Twosugars]

“This second success for our client Gina Miller in the supreme court is a testament to her resolve to take whatever steps are required to ensure executive overreach does not become a feature of our democracy. This case shows that our courts can be relied on to hold the executive to account when necessary and is evidence of the robustness of our system of separations of powers.”

Said by a Gina Miller lawyer.

That woman has done so much for the rule of law. A true patriot.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The leave campaign promised a deal

I appreciate this promise has turned out to be a lie, like everything else they said.

That means people voted leave based on a false prospectus

All the more reason to rerun the referendum

You only believe that if you underestimate the people. Politicians have always told lies, the people know that, but they will make their own mind up at the end of the day. Go look at the aftermath of any election, and you'll see campaign groups from all sides having to pay fines for dishonest campaigning.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

“This second success for our client Gina Miller in the supreme court is a testament to her resolve to take whatever steps are required to ensure executive overreach does not become a feature of our democracy. This case shows that our courts can be relied on to hold the executive to account when necessary and is evidence of the robustness of our system of separations of powers.”

Said by a Gina Miller lawyer.

That woman has done so much for the rule of law. A true patriot.

She's getting death threats on twitter from some English gallahads.

[Vanessa]

Surely now the Parliament has to come back? Its only fair.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

You only believe that if you underestimate the people. Politicians have always told lies, the people know that, but they will make their own mind up at the end of the day. Go look at the aftermath of any election, and you'll see campaign groups from all sides having to pay fines for dishonest campaigning.

Dont make me laugh

Most googled question after the referendum was "what is the EU "

You may believe in some mystical wisdom of masses but I dont.
We'd not have Hitler and other criminals coming to power democratically if masses were always right