[Kazanne]

The only people who are responsible for killings and maiming are the persons that pick up the weapons or lay the bombs, too easy to blame government bodies, we should take responsibilty for our own actions ,its always a blame game now.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

You, Corbyn and Diane are like three little peas in a pod. Awwww....

Oh grow up, with respect.
I've really nothing to say to you.
I've said it all before in so many threads to you now from long ago.

I can't and won't even try to reason with the unreasonable.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The only people who are responsible for killings and maiming are the persons that pick up the weapons or lay the bombs, too easy to blame government bodies, we should take responsibilty for our own actions ,its always a blame game now.

Here we can agree Kazanne.
Well said.

Outside of war that is.

Although I do blame Blair and his government that supported it for the atrocities in Iraq.

Which is why I fear a no deal brexit and anything like a separatist scenario as to a border in N Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Which no government needs to do by bringing in a hard no deal brexit.

No excuses should be provided for those you list at the start of your post to start violence again.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You confuse me for a fan of Corbyn
I support Labour, broadly.

I do condemn him for supporting terrorism, but not independent Ireland.

Do you condemn loyalist terrorism? Do you condemn injustices of centuries long British occupation?

I still want labour government though.

Of course I condemn loyalist terrorism. I condemn injustices of British occupation of long ago...but that is not the fault of anyone alive today so those thousands of innocent victims should not have been made to suffer.

I couldn't vote for a government whose leaders actions and views (like his dodginess surrounding anti semitism) disgusted me in the way Corbyn's does, no.
I'm from N. Ireland and my party of choice here is the SDLP. Unfortunately they no longer have any elected reps in the Commons.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

Of course I condemn loyalist terrorism. I condemn injustices of British occupation of long ago...but that is not the fault of anyone alive today so those thousands of innocent victims should not have been made to suffer.

I couldn't vote for a government whose leaders actions and views (like his dodginess surrounding anti semitism) disgusted me in the way Corbyn's does, no.
I'm from N. Ireland and my party of choice here is the SDLP. Unfortunately they no longer have any elected reps in the Commons.

I like them too. Trimble did a lot for peace.
I hope they get stronger again

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh grow up, with respect.
I've really nothing to say to you.
I've said it all before in so many threads to you now from long ago.

I can't and won't even try to reason with the unreasonable.

I just made a comment that amused me. I don't usually respond to you as I find your posts or writing style hard work so don't really read them, sorry.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I like them too. Trimble did a lot for peace.
I hope they get stronger again

Trimble was the Unionist leader. John Hume was the SDLP leader, he was my hero. They jointly won the Nobel Peace Prize for their great contributions to the peace.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

Trimble was the Unionist leader. John Hume was the SDLP leader, he was my hero. They jointly won the Nobel Peace Prize for their great contributions to the peace.

Oop sorry I meant Hume. Always get them mixed up

[Twosugars]

So you are pro reunification Jet
The way you write I thought you were a unionist

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So you are pro reunification Jet
The way you write I thought you were a unionist

I'm not for or against reunification (I'm from a mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage so I was kind of brought up to see both sides). I'm for democracy and
what the majority of the population want, I don't really care. What I am against is violence to acheive those aims and anyone who sympathised with the murderers.
I lived through the horror and heartbreak of it all at close quarters. Many who wanted a united ireland through peaceful means don't want it any more because the IRA killed too many of their own kind indiscriminately to get their way. It's still complicated.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

I just made a comment that amused me. I don't usually respond to you as I find your posts or writing style hard work so don't really read them, sorry.

I must make sure I keep my posts and writing style hard work then.
I'm over the moon they put you off.
I thank all the powers that be for that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I must make sure I keep my posts and writing style hard work then.

I'm over the moon they put you off.

I thank all the powers that be for that.

[Alf]

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Red flag flying here.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I must make sure I keep my posts and writing style hard work then.
I'm over the moon they put you off.
I thank all the powers that be for that.

That's great. Thanks!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Red flag flying here.

IF Johnson really wants an election and a no confidence vote.
Plus IF he really believes he'd win an election and that no way would parliament now install Corbyn as PM.

Why doesn't Johnson present a vote of no confidence himself.
He can.

That was ruled out by the Cons.

He doesn't really want an election, his own Party's private polling will be showing him.
No overall majority is likely.
In fact he would lose ground.

All he'd achieve is replacing a hung parliament, with an even greater hung parliament.

He'd be the largest Party but he knows the pitfalls.
That's why he won't hold a no confidence vote himself.

Nothing cowardly or traitorous at all, the Parties all just know until brexit has moved to the next stage.
Any chance of an overall majority is unlikely.

This parliament was only elected 2 years ago.
A year after the referendum.
This Parliament is the one speaking with the latest publicly voted voice

[Alf]

So what did they come up with at this conference?

Hold a second referendum
Abolish private Schools
Extend free movement
Allow non-UK nationals to vote in UK elections

I just can't see this selling.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

So what did they come up with at this conference?

Hold a second referendum
Abolish private Schools
Extend free movement
Allow non-UK nationals to vote in UK elections

I just can't see this selling.

This isn't the manifesto yet Alf.

However, you may be surprised that it may not be greeted with the disdain you have.

However there's nothing cowardly or treacherous in any of those things.
Nothing at all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

She also had to give back just under 2 grand she was paid for speaking to students....to students fgs....

An oversight you say....well sorry but I wouldn't be praising someone who forgets to declare money as many times as it took her to get to 17 grand...

Sounds a bit Grabby, greedy and dishonest if you ask me...not someone that should be praised as a shadow home secretary...then of course you have her comments on the IRA, her hypocrisy surrounding public schools...the lust is pretty long. ..far far too long for someone to be praised or respected as a politician.


Also her comments regarding white mothers not wanting or going all out as much for thier children as black mothers do..makes her racist imom

She made many tv appearances, wasn't she a regular on 'this week' with portillo?

I can see you have an irrational dislike for her so I'll leave it there.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

IF Johnson really wants an election and a no confidence vote.
Plus IF he really believes he'd win an election and that no way would parliament now install Corbyn as PM.

Why doesn't Johnson present a vote of no confidence himself.
He can.

That was ruled out by the Cons.

He doesn't really want an election, his own Party's private polling will be showing him.
No overall majority is likely.
In fact he would lose ground.

All he'd achieve is replacing a hung parliament, with an even greater hung parliament.

He'd be the largest Party but he knows the pitfalls.
That's why he won't hold a no confidence vote himself.

Nothing cowardly or traitorous at all, the Parties all just know until brexit has moved to the next stage.
Any chance of an overall majority is unlikely.

This parliament was only elected 2 years ago.
A year after the referendum.
This Parliament is the one speaking with the latest publicly voted voice

I didn't say anybody was Cowardly or a traitor, I was just singing "The Red flag" to end the conference, comrade.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm not for or against reunification (I'm from a mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage so I was kind of brought up to see both sides). I'm for democracy and
what the majority of the population want, I don't really care. What I am against is violence to acheive those aims and anyone who sympathised with the murderers.
I lived through the horror and heartbreak of it all at close quarters. Many who wanted a united ireland through peaceful means don't want it any more because the IRA killed too many of their own kind indiscriminately to get their way. It's still complicated.

It seems like it's too far down the road for a united Ireland imo Have you been watching that Spotlight Documentary Jet?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

I didn't say anybody was Cowardly or a traitor, I was just singing "The Red flag" to end the conference, comrade.

I picked your post up there all wrong then Alf.
I was completely wrong.

My unreserved apologies to you for that and misrepresenting your intention.
Sorry.

[Kizzy]

I wonder what would happen here, if a hard border went up, the military killed some unarmed protesters, interred people without charge, convicted people without evidence?

What would we do?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wonder what would happen here, if a hard border went up, the military killed some unarmed protesters, interred people without charge, convicted people without evidence?

What would we do?

Kill thousands of innocent people and maim tens of thousands more that had nothing to do with it in revenge?
That was the terrorists answer. Are you sympathising with them here?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It seems like it's too far down the road for a united Ireland imo Have you been watching that Spotlight Documentary Jet?

Not yet, I have it recorded but haven't been in the right frame of mind to watch it yet. Too many bad memories.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Not yet, I have it recorded but haven't been in the right frame of mind to watch it yet. Too many bad memories.

I can imagine, it's really upsetting, I've watched the first two as I have to wait for it to be uploaded to youtube because I don't have BBC NI or BBC4.