[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

You should have used Janis Joplin's "Maybe" I'd have enjoyed that more.

Maybe I'm trying to expand your mind

[arista]

[And any attempt at such tomfoolery can and would
be quashed by the High Court on the basic Padfield
constitutional principle within a couple of days, if not a few hours]

Yes TwoSugars
Johnson PM said (today on TV news interviews)
he is not doing that , yet.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

[And any attempt at such tomfoolery can and would
be quashed by the High Court on the basic Padfield
constitutional principle within a couple of days, if not a few hours]

Yes TwoSugars
Johnson PM said (today on TV news interviews)
he is not doing that , yet.

Yet
He is not doing that full stop bc it is not allowed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Yet
He is not doing that full stop bc it is not allowed

Yes at this time.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We all do. "What he's on" is "an international bank balance big enough to not have to worry about it".

But I disagree that he's not bothered, the one thing he does have to lose is his ego and I think he's furious that he doesn't seem to be able to just lob his weight around like a mini Trump. He seems the same as ever because "bouncy Boris" is an act he's been honing since his teens. There's a documentary about his school days / early career around somewhere... it's fascinating. But yeah, his Boris persona (it's not even his real name) is attached to his face with Flex Tape. It's going nowhere and you can't trust that his demeanor reflects his thoughts 99% of the time. When it does slip, there are glimpses of the frustration of an arrogant man who isn't quite getting the world to mould around him.

Could be - he has never really been on my radar until he was forced upon us all.
My point was, the opposition were lashing into him and he didn't lose his temper, whether by design or a natural ability.

In an interview he said "I was sitting opposite people who were shouting all sorts of things at me all afternoon that were far harsher".
I think his words are being deliberately misinterpreted and being milked for all they are worth by the opposition to whip up emotionally charged feelings and THAT is far more dangerous that anything he has actually said.

[James]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's not the point; the city that rejects the Murdoch press is against leave, whereas the one that doesn't, wants to leave. Shows the devastating ability of the press to feed lies and propaganda into the public consciousness.

The Times is Murdoch owned, and it is pro-remain. These papers are are more about following what they think are the views of their readers rather than leading them.

Generally in the 2016 referendum the bigger cities voted more Remain than other areas. For example Manchester had an even bigger Remain share than Liverpool. London, Cardiff, Leicester, Newcastle, Bristol etc. voted Remain.

It is quite noticeable in the results - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resu...hip_referendum

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by James

The Times is Murdoch owned, and it is pro-remain. These papers are are more about following what they think are the views of their readers rather than leading them.

Generally in the 2016 referendum the bigger cities voted more Remain than other areas. For example Manchester had an even bigger Remain share than Liverpool. London, Cardiff, Leicester, Newcastle, Bristol etc. voted Remain.

It is quite noticeable in the results - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resu...hip_referendum

The times campaigned for leave, only Sunday times was for remain

[James]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The times campaigned for leave, only Sunday times was for remain

According to this it was Leave - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...tain-qzj0x609m

Their front pages now are quite anti-Brexit now also.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by James

According to this it was Leave - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...tain-qzj0x609m

Their front pages now are quite anti-Brexit now also.

Oop sorry James
I got it wrong way round
The times was for remain
The Sunday times was for leave
The mail was for leave while mail on Sunday was for remain

[arista]

5mins Walking Home
Dom not happy that Lewis of SkyNews Political team
does not know the
Benn Act A/k/A Surrender Bill.

[Twosugars]

An advert on the Working for an MP website posted by the Conservatives in the European Parliament:

The Eurosceptic Conservatives and Reformist Group in the European parliament, which includes Conservative MEPs, are recruiting an intern to begin work in Brussels at the European parliament on 1 November for six months, the day after the UK is expected to have left the EU.

The successful applicant for the role working for the Conservatives and Reformist Group will receive €1,5000 a month and will work to “nurture the relationship between the group and the party now and beyond Brexit”.

It is made up of MEPs from right-wing parties across Europe such as Spain’s Vox, Brother’s of Italy, Poland’s Law and Justice, and Sweden Democrats, and the Tories have previously been criticised for their affiliation with the group.
The Guardian

Cons getting ready for an extension

[The Slim Reaper]

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by James

The Times is Murdoch owned, and it is pro-remain. These papers are are more about following what they think are the views of their readers rather than leading them.

Generally in the 2016 referendum the bigger cities voted more Remain than other areas. For example Manchester had an even bigger Remain share than Liverpool. London, Cardiff, Leicester, Newcastle, Bristol etc. voted Remain.

It is quite noticeable in the results - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resu...hip_referendum

Murdoch was too vague on my part. Do you know if there are figures on media consumed, so for example percentage of leavers that read the sun? You don't have to dig it up for me, I'll find it, but just wondering if you saw that?

Edit: 7 out of 10 sun readers voted leave, which makes more sense. They were muddying the water for years before any referendum was on anyones mind with stupidity about bananas and brown people.

[Vicky.]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

Jesus ****ing christ..this guy..translated

'death threats should be expected while MPs are trying to come to a deal that will not knack the country and inflame everything with ROI. Some people who voted to leave are upset that we are not just crashing out, so of course they will make threats and they are entitled to do so and we should understand the anger'

[Twosugars]

I'm going to make a sacrifice and read through all the lies of the leave campaign official document and bring them to you here
Will take me a few days and may make me Ill but it may be worth it as a rebuttal of the ever shifting claims as to what exactly the people voted for

This is the offending material
WHY WE SHOULD VOTE LEAVE - OUR CASE
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case.html

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

Jesus ****ing christ..this guy..translated

'death threats should be expected while MPs are trying to come to a deal that will not knack the country and inflame everything with ROI. Some people who voted to leave are upset that we are not just crashing out, so of course they will make threats and they are entitled to do so and we should understand the anger'

That's Dominic Cummings for you
A sociopath

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

Jesus ****ing christ..this guy..translated

'death threats should be expected while MPs are trying to come to a deal that will not knack the country and inflame everything with ROI. Some people who voted to leave are upset that we are not just crashing out, so of course they will make threats and they are entitled to do so and we should understand the anger'

If you read between the lines, he's saying that the only way to end the violence and threats is to leave.

Yet the remain/leave split is more or less 50/50. But if we leave, the same problems won't occur. So essentially he's admitting that the vast majority of the violence and thuggery is from those who want to leave .

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you read between the lines, he's saying that the only way to end the violence and threats is to leave.

Yet the remain/leave split is more or less 50/50. But if we leave, the same problems won't occur. So essentially he's admitting that the vast majority of the violence and thuggery is from those who want to leave .

Nice country ya got there...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Nice country ya got there...

To be fair, what's changed other than that we've stopped pretending?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, what's changed other than that we've stopped pretending?

Some of us have stopped pretending, to others it's still a both sides issue.

[Alf]

If the leave voters don't get their vote implemted, which so far doesn't seem to be happening. Can I ask, what do you expect them to do?

Do you expect them to just be submissive and surrender?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

If the leave voters don't get their vote implemted, which so far doesn't seem to be happening. Can I ask, what do you expect them to do?

Do you expect them to just be submissive and surrender?

I will respond with my post fro another thread

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Incorrect

Parliament is making sure we have a deal, precisely as the leave side promised

“Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop,” the campaign pledged. “We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave.” The same campaign document—which can still be read on its website—also promised that the UK would be part of “a free trade zone from Iceland to Turkey and the Russian border.” If we leave without a deal—as those prominent Brexiteers are now advocating—that will be impossible.

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case.html

From the horse's mouth
Leave campaign own website

Lies from liars

As we see people didnt vote for no deal brexit

You should support attempts to get a deal or a second referendum

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I will respond with my post fro another thread



As we see people didnt vote for no deal brexit

You should support attempts to get a deal or a second referendum

We didn't vote for a deal Brexit either.

We just voted to leave the EU, let's leave.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

We didn't vote for a deal Brexit either.

We just voted to leave the EU, let's leave.

You voted based on what was campaigned.
No changing of goal posts.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You voted based on what was campaigned.
No changing of goal posts.

My goalposts have never moved, yours moved after you lost the vote.