[Alf]

Maybe the next race hate crime will be real, but it would be quite reasonable for people not believe it after these events. The boy who cried Wolf and all that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Maybe the next race hate crime will be real, but it would be quite reasonable for people not believe it after these events. The boy who cried Wolf and all that.

This is a standard that only ever applies to certain crimes though. No one ever says this about tax fraud or bank robbery, but it applies to rape and race.

Not only do these crimes have to reach a higher level of proof, but they are also the quickest to be used against any future person making the same accusations. Wonder why.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is a standard that only ever applies to certain crimes though. No one ever says this about tax fraud or bank robbery, but it applies to rape and race.

Not only do these crimes have to reach a higher level of proof, but they are also the quickest to be used against any future person making the same accusations. Wonder why.

Yeah 100%, you get the odd case of someone lying and it suddenly proves that no one ever gets raped or racially abused and anyone saying so is a big fat liar............great logic

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is a standard that only ever applies to certain crimes though. No one ever says this about tax fraud or bank robbery, but it applies to rape and race.

Not only do these crimes have to reach a higher level of proof, but they are also the quickest to be used against any future person making the same accusations. Wonder why.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah 100%, you get the odd case of someone lying and it suddenly proves that no one ever gets raped or racially abused and anyone saying so is a big fat liar............great logic

Have any high profile hate crimes actually turned out to be not-fake?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Have any high profile hate crimes actually turned out to be not-fake?

The ones where people actually died.....no denying those ones I guess?

*I'm talking about shootings, targeting Mosques and the like or are they just "mentally ill" individuals rather than perpetrators of hate crimes?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The ones where people actually died.....no denying those ones I guess?

*I'm talking about shootings, targeting Mosques and the like or are they just "mentally ill" individuals rather than perpetrators of hate crimes?

That sort of thing I'd class as terror attacks more than anything else.

What I was thinking of was alleged one-on-one incidents.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That sort of thing I'd class as terror attacks more than anything else.

What I was thinking of was alleged one-on-one incidents.

So racism suddenly doesn't exist?

Wow

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is a standard that only ever applies to certain crimes though. No one ever says this about tax fraud or bank robbery, but it applies to rape and race.

Not only do these crimes have to reach a higher level of proof, but they are also the quickest to be used against any future person making the same accusations. Wonder why.

If you believe actual crimes like tax fraud or bank robbery are the same as innocent people being accused of a horrible crime, then I can't really debate you. You're not coming from a genuine place.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

If you believe actual crimes like tax fraud or bank robbery are the same as innocent people being accused of a horrible crime, then I can't really debate you. You're not coming from a genuine place.

People still make false accusations though, and that's what your post was about; namely, that it would be understandable for no one to believe the next accuser of a hate crime. My point was that no one actually uses this argument anywhere else apart from 2 extremely specific areas; race/hate crime, and violence against women.