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01-10-2019, 11:42 AM | #51 | |||
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What I was thinking of was alleged one-on-one incidents. |
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01-10-2019, 11:45 AM | #52 | |||
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Mistakes like these won't happen again. Ironically, Trumps only path to victory imo, is if he runs against Biden, who he may be forced out of office having been fearful to go up against.
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01-10-2019, 11:54 AM | #53 | ||
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01-10-2019, 11:59 AM | #54 | |||
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What a wilful misunderstanding.
I was clearly questioning if any high profile alleged hate crimes turned out to not be fake, I didn't say racism doesn't exist, or that hate crimes never happen. |
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01-10-2019, 12:02 PM | #55 | |||
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Well, the new case here with the little girl seems like it only became high profile because it was false (or am I wrong about that?)
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01-10-2019, 12:11 PM | #56 | ||
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The same goes for Brexit really. There's an idea that people who didn't bother and are now horrified would vote en masse and dramatically change the result - but I strongly suppect that there are plenty of crowing no-deal Brexiteers who didn't vote in the referendum the first time. [edited to add] Also because of how the US electoral system works, it doesn't matter at all if Democrat supporters in states that already voted democrat - e.g. California and New York - come out in droves to vote. The democrat vote can literally double in those states and it doesn't make any difference... and those two states alone contain nearly 20% of the entire population of the US. Their FPTP system is even more broken than the UK's and that's saying something. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 01-10-2019 at 12:17 PM. |
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01-10-2019, 12:20 PM | #57 | |||
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Besides which, he's killing farming because of his trade war, more steel plants have closed in his 4 years, than in 8 years of Obama, and the same with coal, it won't affect his numbers that much, but it will be an issue that his dem opponents can absolutely hammer. He's getting a relatively free pass at the mo as the dems are focussed on each other, but as soon as that's decided, there will be constant attacks on his record - Mexico, healthcare, sucking up to dictators (Kim and I are in love), not believing his own intelligence over Putin etc. I think he'll always have a rabid base, because of the kind of people he deliberately tries to appeal to, but the mid terms showed that people will flood out in elections to vote against him, and that's his major weakness, his ability to motivate the other side.
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01-10-2019, 12:23 PM | #58 | ||
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01-10-2019, 12:29 PM | #59 | |||
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01-10-2019, 12:32 PM | #60 | ||
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I would also point out that Trump in the odds was 5/1 and Hillary 1/5, exactly mirroring Brexit's 5/1 and Remain's 1/5, and to toot my own trumpet, I considered both Brexit and Trump to be near-certainties. "The indications" look at what's going on, and what the polls say, and neither have much or anything at all to do with what your average voter will do when they plod into that voting booth. They vote with their gut, and with "what sounds about right" vagueries. Voter apathy in the heavily democrat states is out of the equation; Dems still took them so again, it doesn't matter if the Dem vote in NYC or Los Angeles literally doubles. It would greatly extend the popular vote lead of the Democrats but, in the US system, so what? The only states that matter are the swing states and I'm FAR from convinced that the revitalised Democrat vote will outweigh the emboldened vote of Wall-supporting illiterates who haven't voted for generations. Those people aren't being polled. They're not part of the debate. They'll still be part of the numbers in the final count and people forget that. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 01-10-2019 at 12:34 PM. |
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01-10-2019, 12:36 PM | #61 | ||
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That's how I read your post Maybe be more precise next time? |
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01-10-2019, 12:37 PM | #62 | |||
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That's before the stuff in my other posts come into play.
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01-10-2019, 12:40 PM | #63 | ||
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01-10-2019, 12:43 PM | #64 | ||
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01-10-2019, 02:22 PM | #65 | |||
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I'd not heard of her before but Alf's description made it sound like the bandwagon was rolling in her support before they realised she was lying.
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01-10-2019, 02:35 PM | #66 | |||
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01-10-2019, 02:38 PM | #67 | |||
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I don't know, hadn't heard of it until she was lying tbh
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01-10-2019, 02:40 PM | #68 | ||
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01-10-2019, 02:41 PM | #69 | |||
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The very first I heard of her was this thread but it sounds like she was similar to Smollett - went crying to the media that she was attacked, the media duly wailed, it turned out she was lying. But like I said, that's all I got from this thread, so who knows/cares.
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01-10-2019, 02:42 PM | #70 | |||
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01-10-2019, 02:45 PM | #71 | ||
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Bc theres so much racism about it is believable |
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01-10-2019, 03:25 PM | #72 | |||
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That's one way to look at it, another way is, there's not enough racism for the dividers to use, so they make it up.
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01-10-2019, 04:06 PM | #73 | ||
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